
#42: What it means to be a media company, building an audience, community, & more with Anthony Kennada (Founder of AudiencePlus)
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11/21/22 • 52 min
Anthony Kennada is is co-founder & CEO of AudiencePlus, a company building software, content, and community to help businesses become media companies. Prior to founding AudiencePlus, Anthony served as the CMO of Hopin, Front, and Gainsight.
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- Results: Demandwell is built for driving the outcomes that b2b marketers care about - demand, traffic, leads, and revenue.
- Ease and control: Junior team members can follow recommended steps in the platform, while experts can customize and maintain full control over their work.
- Speed: With everything in one platform, Demandwell helps you crank out content that ranks and drives leads in minutes rather than hours.
SEO expert or not, you should give Demandwell a try, and listeners of the Exit Five podcast can get a free competitive SEO Audit to see how you’re ranking relative to your competitors
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Today’s episode is brought to you by Grammarly.
Ever have one of those weeks where you spent more time replying to Slack and email than doing actual marketing work?
You’re not alone. The average marketing team spends 28+ hours a week just keeping up with comms.
That leads to burnout, frustration, and a whole lot of performative productivity that doesn’t actually move the needle.
AI-fluent marketing teams are changing that. Grammarly’s 2025 Productivity Shift Report shows how they’re using AI to:
– Cut down on back-and-forth
– Automate content, research, and reporting
– Eliminate busywork
– Make space for strategy
We’re marketers because we love crafting campaigns, driving revenue, and proving impact – not spending all day buried in messages.
Get the report and see how top teams are making AI actually useful.
Visit go.grammarly.com/exitfive to grab it.
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Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.
- They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.
- Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.
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Anthony Kennada is is co-founder & CEO of AudiencePlus, a company building software, content, and community to help businesses become media companies. Prior to founding AudiencePlus, Anthony served as the CMO of Hopin, Front, and Gainsight.
Thanks to Demandwell, our presenting sponsor for the Exit Five podcast.
Demandwell is the best SEO solution for B2B SaaS marketers. They’ve helped customers like Lessonly drive 40% of their revenue from organic search. And they helped Terminus’s make organic search their number one source of demos
Here’s how it works:
- Results: Demandwell is built for driving the outcomes that b2b marketers care about - demand, traffic, leads, and revenue.
- Ease and control: Junior team members can follow recommended steps in the platform, while experts can customize and maintain full control over their work.
- Speed: With everything in one platform, Demandwell helps you crank out content that ranks and drives leads in minutes rather than hours.
SEO expert or not, you should give Demandwell a try, and listeners of the Exit Five podcast can get a free competitive SEO Audit to see how you’re ranking relative to your competitors
Go to demandwell.com/fomo to get your free SEO consultation today.
Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing the podcast for me. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.
Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.
Send guest pitches and ideas to [email protected]
Join the Exit Five Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletter
Check out the Exit Five job board: https://jobs.exitfive.com/
Become an Exit Five member: https://community.exitfive.com/checkout/exit-five-membership
***
Today’s episode is brought to you by Grammarly.
Ever have one of those weeks where you spent more time replying to Slack and email than doing actual marketing work?
You’re not alone. The average marketing team spends 28+ hours a week just keeping up with comms.
That leads to burnout, frustration, and a whole lot of performative productivity that doesn’t actually move the needle.
AI-fluent marketing teams are changing that. Grammarly’s 2025 Productivity Shift Report shows how they’re using AI to:
– Cut down on back-and-forth
– Automate content, research, and reporting
– Eliminate busywork
– Make space for strategy
We’re marketers because we love crafting campaigns, driving revenue, and proving impact – not spending all day buried in messages.
Get the report and see how top teams are making AI actually useful.
Visit go.grammarly.com/exitfive to grab it.
***
Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.
- They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.
- Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.
- Visit hatch.fm to learn more
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#41: Building your 2023 marketing plan with Peter Mahoney (CEO at Plannuh)
Dave is joined by Peter Mahoney (Founder & CEO at Plannuh) to break down how to create your 2023 marketing plan. We cover:
1. Overall approach to building a plan
2. Setting goals, metrics, and targets
3. Building a framework for marketing campaigns over the year
4. Modeling funnels and determining cost per opportunity
5. Determining how much marketing budget to spend
6. Selling your plan to the CEO, CFO, and getting it approved
Thanks to Demandwell, our presenting sponsor for the Exit Five podcast.
Demandwell is the best SEO solution for B2B SaaS marketers. They’ve helped customers like Lessonly drive 40% of their revenue from organic search. And they helped Terminus’s make organic search their number one source of demos
Here’s how it works:
- Results: Demandwell is built for driving the outcomes that b2b marketers care about - demand, traffic, leads, and revenue.
- Ease and control: Junior team members can follow recommended steps in the platform, while experts can customize and maintain full control over their work.
- Speed: With everything in one platform, Demandwell helps you crank out content that ranks and drives leads in minutes rather than hours.
SEO expert or not, you should give Demandwell a try, and listeners of the Exit Five podcast can get a free competitive SEO Audit to see how you’re ranking relative to your competitors
Go to demandwell.com/fomo to get your free SEO consultation today.
Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing the podcast for me. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.
Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.
Send guest pitches and ideas to [email protected]
Join the Exit Five Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletter
Check out the Exit Five job board: https://jobs.exitfive.com/
Become an Exit Five member: https://community.exitfive.com/checkout/exit-five-membership
***
Today’s episode is brought to you by Grammarly.
Ever have one of those weeks where you spent more time replying to Slack and email than doing actual marketing work?
You’re not alone. The average marketing team spends 28+ hours a week just keeping up with comms.
That leads to burnout, frustration, and a whole lot of performative productivity that doesn’t actually move the needle.
AI-fluent marketing teams are changing that. Grammarly’s 2025 Productivity Shift Report shows how they’re using AI to:
– Cut down on back-and-forth
– Automate content, research, and reporting
– Eliminate busywork
– Make space for strategy
We’re marketers because we love crafting campaigns, driving revenue, and proving impact – not spending all day buried in messages.
Get the report and see how top teams are making AI actually useful.
Visit go.grammarly.com/exitfive to grab it.
***
Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.
- They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.
- Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.
- Visit hatch.fm to learn more
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#43: 16 Lessons I Wish I Knew As First Time B2B Marketing Leader
Dave shares the 16 lessons he wishes he knew as a first-time marketing leader, going from marketing manager to CMO in four years. This is a recording from Metadata's DEMAND 2022 virtual event in October 2022. The lessons include:
- Forget the acronyms & best practices, use your brain. Ultimately there are only three ways to grow a business: get more new customers, increase the transaction value, increase how often people buy from you. You can get lost in the MQL PQL SQL SAL definitions and best practices. Get back to the basics and operate from first principles.
- You need a story to be successful in B2B. Call it a category, call it a movement. Regardless, you need a story that people can bring to their boss about why they should buy your product beyond features + benefits. HubSpot created inbound marketing. Gainsight championed customer success. Drift conversational marketing. Each led through education + expertise and showed people a new way of doing things. Sell the vision and the story.
- You need to sweat the "offer" - request a demo and contact sales are only going to convert for the highest intent prospects. You need other offers. HubSpot's website grader. Drift did a "test drive" to test the chatbot on your website before talking to anyone. Demandwell has a free SEO audit. Clari has a revenue leakage calculator. These are all smart ideas that are still further down the funnel than ebook but work to get qualified buyers in to eventually talk to sales.
- Avoid incremental thinking. You can waste so many cycles thinking that the next homepage variation or the email series is going to be the thing that gets you out of the revenue hole. Rarely does "nurturing" solve the problem. Take bigger swings.
- You must find a way to get on the same page as sales, no matter what. Find a way to put all the internal politics aside. You will never be successful unless you can marketing sales + marketing = revenue *together*. Find out how the VP of sales is comped and do everything in your power to get on the same page. Health teams gives bonuses based on company goals not team goals. Find out and fix it. Manage up to the CEO if needed. Life is 100% easier when sales + marketing have shared revenue goals.
- Make finance and ops your best friends. YOU HAVE PLENTY TO DO ON YOUR OWN, YOUR JOB IS NOT FINANCE AND OPS I PROMISE YOU!!!! But instead find a way to make them your key business partners. Same way you need to be on the same team as sales, you need to be on the same team with finance and ops. Make them your best friends - collaborate on marketing as a business function Don’t be like 28 year old Dave “I got this myself” - DON’T GET DEFENSIVE - take the help, work together.
- Show your work and master internal communication. Top complaint: I never know what marketing is doing. If you can’t get the people inside fired up, how will customers be? Top complaint: Marketing is doing a lot, but no idea how it fits our goals. You must always be sharing the bigger picture, related to company goals. Some systems I like: Slack: sharing screenshots, work in progress, teasers, etc. Weekly, monthly, quarterly recaps - here’s what marketing is up to . Take any opportunity to present to the company you can get. Create cross-functional check-ins with marketing, product, sales, CS, finance, ops, together. Marketing is the leadership department as Christopher Lochhead says. Make it that way. Lead by example. You're supposed to be the best communicators in the company right?
- You must be able to articulate what your marketing strategy is. Don’t get lost in the tactics - see too much of this today. It’s the job of the marketing leader to have a vision for HOW the company does marketing. ABM? Product led? Both? SMB? Mid Market? Enterprise? Be intentional about your approach. You cant take the peanut butter approach and spread average stuff everywhere and expect to win. FOCUS. But also what type of marketing, what brand do you want to be? Have a view on the market, have a view on how you’ll do marketing this year, have a POV on what good marketing looks like. Ex: at Privy we sold to small businesses so we knew they weren't marketing experts and our marketing had to speak to them and they didn't have a lot of time to figure it out, so we had to lead with simple + clear + educational content.
- You must be able to think short term and long term. Hitting today's goal is great, but what about when the plan jumps 50% next year? You need to be able to build the foundation for that now or you'll wish you did a year from now. Spend 70% of your time on today and 30% of your time on next year/tomorrow. Be disciplined about laying the groundwork for next year and beyond and it will payoff. What will your next channels be? Where can you get future growth from? Start testing and learning now before you need it. Then you can be ready to turn it on.
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