
WIIRE 024: Strategies to Buy a Property with Low Money Down with Amelia & Grace
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12/19/22 • 34 min
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Welcome back to another podcast episode! We recently received a great topic request on Instagram to talk about low and no-money-down deals that we’ve each done so this week we are diving into exactly that. In this episode, we will be sharing three examples of deals we’ve done, all real-life examples from our personal portfolios, and we hope they are super helpful and allow you to think outside of the box!
Amelia purchased a single-family home in April 2021 after having found the deal through a local investor she saw working through Facebook Marketplace. But by the time she called him about the deal, it had already sold, so Amelia did a bit of research and found out that the seller owned multiple properties in the area. She reached out to see if he had other properties for sale and offered a package deal for multiple properties. This offer was for a 30-day close on four properties and despite dragging her dad along (kicking and screaming), it was a killer deal. Amelia and her parents partnered 50/50, but none of them had to come out of pocket for money with their creative financing techniques.
Grace also has done her share of creative financing and on her deal wanted to use instant equity that they were buying into. At the time she had one single-family home that was under construction and wanted to buy two duplexes (four units) for $255,000. 20% Down would have been $51,000, which she absolutely did not have at the age of 23 and only one year into her W-2. Even splitting it 50/50 with her partner wasn’t going to work, but Grace was willing to work some creative financing to make it happen. Grace knew the owner of the four units who had had a wholesaler approach him to purchase the units. Grace convinced the seller to let her look at the unsigned contract and told him, in short, that it was basically a piece of crap, and he should sell to her instead. The good news was that the wholesaler had already worked the seller down to his bottom dollar of $255K.
Grace called the bank she had used for a previous deal, which turned her down. She called a second bank, one she had been banking with personally, and spoke with the VP directly, who knew Grace and her background well and was willing to take the chance on her deal of 10% down. Being newly employed at the time and her boyfriend being unemployed, Grace turned to her sister to bring her in as a 3rd partner in the deal. Her sister agreed and this allowed Grace’s portion of the down payment to drop from the original amount of $51K to only $8,500.
The final example were going to share is the first (and only) deal Grace and Amelia have partnered on together. In a previous episode you heard us share that we purchased a property in Amelias hometown from one of her friends parents for only $38,940. Having mentioned to the seller about a year prior her interesting buying, the seller remembered that seed Amelia had planted.
One important thing to note about this deal was that the seller is moving and not taking everything with them, and was moving into an apartment and didn’t need the immediate seller payoff. Amelia and Grace negotiated to pay her one year after closing, so they could fix it up and flip it with no down payment. They planned to do some painting, updated the flooring, and sell it for between $60-70K. During the process, plans changed and they ended up putting a renter into the property, furnished, and with a few other unexpected expenses coming up, they had to do some additional work to refinance the property so Amelia could solely own the property and buy out Grace’s portion.
A few months in, Amelia refinanced with her local bank to purchase Grace’s portion of the property, which appraised at $65K. To buy out Grace’s portion of the property Amelia partnered with her parents because, despite Amelia financing the down payment, her parents adore the property and would like to flip it when the current tenant moves out. All in all, they were under contract for $38,940 and did a wrap mortgage for the financing, and paid her off in full after the 1-year time period.
One final recommendation...
Don't be afraid to wheel and deal with your bank. Some of them will say no, but some of them also might be interested in what you have to offer, especially if they know that you can get the deal done. So the first deal you do, maybe you won't be able to wheel and deal as much. But as you establish that relationship, just ask and make sure you're exploring all of those options.
We hope you liked the breakdown of these deals. As always, if you have any recommendations for future episodes, feel free to DM us on Instagram. We love getting your requests, and we will catch you in the next...
Welcome back to another podcast episode! We recently received a great topic request on Instagram to talk about low and no-money-down deals that we’ve each done so this week we are diving into exactly that. In this episode, we will be sharing three examples of deals we’ve done, all real-life examples from our personal portfolios, and we hope they are super helpful and allow you to think outside of the box!
Amelia purchased a single-family home in April 2021 after having found the deal through a local investor she saw working through Facebook Marketplace. But by the time she called him about the deal, it had already sold, so Amelia did a bit of research and found out that the seller owned multiple properties in the area. She reached out to see if he had other properties for sale and offered a package deal for multiple properties. This offer was for a 30-day close on four properties and despite dragging her dad along (kicking and screaming), it was a killer deal. Amelia and her parents partnered 50/50, but none of them had to come out of pocket for money with their creative financing techniques.
Grace also has done her share of creative financing and on her deal wanted to use instant equity that they were buying into. At the time she had one single-family home that was under construction and wanted to buy two duplexes (four units) for $255,000. 20% Down would have been $51,000, which she absolutely did not have at the age of 23 and only one year into her W-2. Even splitting it 50/50 with her partner wasn’t going to work, but Grace was willing to work some creative financing to make it happen. Grace knew the owner of the four units who had had a wholesaler approach him to purchase the units. Grace convinced the seller to let her look at the unsigned contract and told him, in short, that it was basically a piece of crap, and he should sell to her instead. The good news was that the wholesaler had already worked the seller down to his bottom dollar of $255K.
Grace called the bank she had used for a previous deal, which turned her down. She called a second bank, one she had been banking with personally, and spoke with the VP directly, who knew Grace and her background well and was willing to take the chance on her deal of 10% down. Being newly employed at the time and her boyfriend being unemployed, Grace turned to her sister to bring her in as a 3rd partner in the deal. Her sister agreed and this allowed Grace’s portion of the down payment to drop from the original amount of $51K to only $8,500.
The final example were going to share is the first (and only) deal Grace and Amelia have partnered on together. In a previous episode you heard us share that we purchased a property in Amelias hometown from one of her friends parents for only $38,940. Having mentioned to the seller about a year prior her interesting buying, the seller remembered that seed Amelia had planted.
One important thing to note about this deal was that the seller is moving and not taking everything with them, and was moving into an apartment and didn’t need the immediate seller payoff. Amelia and Grace negotiated to pay her one year after closing, so they could fix it up and flip it with no down payment. They planned to do some painting, updated the flooring, and sell it for between $60-70K. During the process, plans changed and they ended up putting a renter into the property, furnished, and with a few other unexpected expenses coming up, they had to do some additional work to refinance the property so Amelia could solely own the property and buy out Grace’s portion.
A few months in, Amelia refinanced with her local bank to purchase Grace’s portion of the property, which appraised at $65K. To buy out Grace’s portion of the property Amelia partnered with her parents because, despite Amelia financing the down payment, her parents adore the property and would like to flip it when the current tenant moves out. All in all, they were under contract for $38,940 and did a wrap mortgage for the financing, and paid her off in full after the 1-year time period.
One final recommendation...
Don't be afraid to wheel and deal with your bank. Some of them will say no, but some of them also might be interested in what you have to offer, especially if they know that you can get the deal done. So the first deal you do, maybe you won't be able to wheel and deal as much. But as you establish that relationship, just ask and make sure you're exploring all of those options.
We hope you liked the breakdown of these deals. As always, if you have any recommendations for future episodes, feel free to DM us on Instagram. We love getting your requests, and we will catch you in the next...
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WIIRE 023: Get a Jump Start on Your Taxes Before the End of the Year with Natalie Kolodij
With 2022 drawing to a close, tax season is nearly upon us. This week on the podcast we are joined by our friend, Natalie Kolodij, a Real Estate Tax Strategist who is sharing her expertise with us on what we should be doing to prepare for tax season when it comes to REI.
Natalie is an IRS Enrolled Agent and Real Estate Tax Strategist who has been working exclusively in real estate since 2014. Natalie is highly specialized in her niche and loves helping people get set up with the right strategies to really work on building their wealth in the most effective way they can.
The first thing we cover in this episode is how you can save on taxes by having your rental property transition (temporarily) to a short-term rental property, before turning it into a long-term or mid-term rental. One of the key things with normal rentals, long-term rentals, or even mid-term rentals, is that they're in the same category for taxes called ‘passive income’ to the government, meaning that you don't pay any payroll taxes on it. But a trade-off there is that when a passive activity like a rental creates a loss, you can't always use it, depending on your circumstances. There are certain circumstances where you can, and some circumstances when you can't. So typically, if your annual income is above $100,000, you might not be able to use that loss. It can always offset other passive income, but not your W-2’s or other income types. It's in its own bucket and that is passive loss limit. You don’t lose it, but rather it carries forward into the next year.
Short-term rentals are a unique hybrid area where if you have a short-term rental, where the average stay is 7 days or less, then it can qualify as non-passive. By breaching that nonpassive designation, any losses you create are no longer subject to that income limit and there’s no true cap on that. So with a short-term rental, you can do something like utilize cost segregation, where you push some of your depreciation up to the front end, have a big loss in one year, and be able to fully deduct it against your earnings from your W-2 job (or flipping income or any other types of income). It creates a really great loophole.
In this episode, Natalie shares so many great tips and tricks, just like this, about how to prepare yourself for tax season, find the right accountant for your business, and so much more, in a way to help set you up for a stress-free tax season. She also shares her Year End Tax Prep Checklist for Real Estate Investors with our listeners.
Want to connect with Natalie or find out more about her current client offerings? Shoot her a DM on Instagram or visit her website to learn more!
Thank you for listening, friends! We’ll catch you in the next episode!
Resources
- Visit Natalie’s Website
- Connect with Natalie on Instagram
- Grab your ticket to our 2023 retreat in retreat in Salt Lake City
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WIIRE 025: MTR Cash Flow Killers with Amelia & Grace
Hello everyone, welcome back to the WIIRE Podcast! We know you all love hearing about all things MTR so this week we are bringing you another episode about MTR strategy, except this time we are talking about the 5 pitfalls (which we’ve lovingly termed ‘cash-flow-killers’) you’ll definitely want to avoid making with properties in your REI portfolio.
1. Utilities
If you’re not tracking tenant utility usage, you should be. Utilities are typically covered for tenants in mid-term rentals, but you’ll want to make sure that your tenants aren’t going over ‘average’ usage for the utilities.
We recommend adding a utility addendum to your lease explaining that any overage from the average usage (which can typically be found on your utility company’s website) will be billed back to the tenant. You can also post signs on the doors so when they go to leave the property, they’re reminded to check things like the lights and thermostat, and not leave them in use when they aren’t even home. Lastly, you could invest in a thermostat that you can control remotely and set limits on.
2. Location
C & D class neighborhoods, simply put, are just not recommended for MTRs. Even units in some B-class neighborhoods will sit vacant longer than desired because traveling professionals know what kind of areas to look for and which ones to stay away from.
Vacant units will always cut into your cash flow, so choose your MTR location very wisely.
3. Noisy Locations
Many MTR tenants are traveling nurses, and as you could guess, work nights (or even around the clock) on some days. Typically they are only in the unit to eat, sleep, and repeat so they want to come home to a quiet space they are comfortable in and aren’t interested in dealing with a noisy neighborhood or noisy neighbors.
4. Cleaning Fees
This one can be a bit tricky. It’s nice to be able to cover your tenant's cleaning fees - it’s one less thing for them to pay, right? While true, that also cuts into your cash flow.
After covering cleaning fees for quite some time by just charging more for rent, Grace has discovered that she is likely leaving money on the table because it cuts into her cash flow. She realized that she could simply include a cleaning fee, along with the deposit, and tenants are still happy to rent her units, despite the cleaning costs coming out of their pocket. She also realized that for the most part, tenants are used to paying a cleaning fee.
Amelia collects a deposit to hold the unit, then 1-2 days prior to move-in collects the 1st month’s rent along with the cleaning fee.
5. Not having a detailed list of supplies for your unit.
Do you know exactly how many cups, plates, forks, towels, etc., are in each one of your units? If you don’t you should. Now before we proceed, we will be the first to admit that we have both been super lax here, but it is on both of our ‘goals for 2023’ lists to do a much better job of this one.
Go through your units with a fine tooth comb. By having this list for each unit, when your tenant moves out you know not only needs to be replaced and charged back to the tenant. Keep this list handy for yourself, your cleaner, or your property manager so everyone knows exactly what should be in each unit so you aren’t losing money by keeping your rentals stocked and passing those charges along to the tenant.
That’s all for this week friends, thank you for joining us. If you have any questions or topics you’d like us to cover shoot us a DM on Instagram!
Catch you in the next episode!
Resources:
- Join our WIIRE MTR Profit Academy
- See what Amelia is up to on Instagram
- Check out Grace’s updates on Instagram
- Connect with the WIIRE Community on Instagram
- Grab your spot for our retreat in Salt Lake City
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