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Women Invest in Real Estate

Women Invest in Real Estate

Amelia McGee, Grace Gudenkauf

Welcome to the Women Invest in Real Estate podcast where we talk about real estate investing, business, and give a behind-the-scenes look at Amelia and Grace’s lives as full time investors.
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Welcome back to episode 14 of the podcast. This week we’re going to focus on how to scale your REI business quickly. This is another question we hear quite often from our followers on Instagram and since we each scaled our businesses quickly, having gone from 0 to more than 20 units in only one year, we’ve learned some hard lessons along the way. We’re sharing our best tips and practices for scaling quickly.

For Amelia, the realization of needing to scale quickly came when she purchased her first triplex on her own, had it rented out, and it was cash-flowing well. She had been bitten by the REI bug and turned around and purchased her next property rather quickly. She used the money to purchase her triplex from her first deal, which was a flip. She had planned for her next buy to be a buy-and-hold, so she already knew what she was looking for in the market.

We frequently talk about how real estate investing really isn’t hard. It’s actually a simple concept, but can be hard to put into place. However, at the same time if you can do a decent job and have a decent product it could bring you a lot of success.

Grace realized she was going all in on REI when she realized that it could literally be an end to a means and allow her to quit her job. Two deals in, Grace and her partner (Brandt) decided they were going to keep buying and not let a lack of funds stop them. They would find good deals, and the money for each buy, along the way. They did each of their first 10 deals very differently but her first most people would find the most interesting. Keep in mind they have never sold any of their properties. It was a BRRR and they put down 20% bank loan and then used cash to pay for the rehab.

Grace’s second deal was two duplexes and was split evenly between herself, her boyfriend, and her sister. They paid $255,000 and they convinced the bank to let them put 10% down, drastically reducing the amount of cash they would need to pay upfront to get this deal. Eventually, Grace began to get super creative with her financing so she could continuously purchase value-add deals so she could re-access the capital out of it to pay off private money, etc. Simply said, Grace got scrappy with her financing and it has definitely worked out in her favor.

We both have decided to see our goals and design how we want our future to look around those goals. Then, we go for it. For both of us, real estate investing is “passive”. We have built out our systems and put them into place which allows us to continuously move the needle forward.

Another way we have been able to scale so quickly is to find good partners to work with along the way. With constant buying, the money will eventually run out and in order to continue to scale we have figured out ways to not use all of our own money to tackle every single buy. When we first met a year and a half ago, we decided to partner up, and look where it has brought us! Partnering can be absolutely amazing if done the right way.

One more important detail when it comes to scaling is financing. Grace used different lenders for her first three buys and has since stuck with the 3rd. It is a commercial lender which means their terms aren’t as favorable but the financing is easy to get. Plus she got in good with this lender by building a relationship with them and proving to them time and time again that she will under-promise and over-deliver on what she says she can/will do.

Amelia has also built a good relationship with her lender and while they do still occasionally ask for her tax returns, they also know the level of return they can expect from her.

Best Practices for Scaling & Building a Relationship with Your Lender:

  • Be flexible/easy to work with
  • Perform well: under-promise then over-deliver
  • Show them you’re a professional, don’t be a mom-and-pop shop
  • Have a strong mindset
  • Know your buy-box (good-deal criteria)
  • Spread the word - you never know who is looking to sell a property!

That’s all for this week! Thank you so much for listening, we really appreciate you all so much and we will catch you in the next episode!

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Women Invest in Real Estate - WIIRE 012: BTS: Trouble in Paradise at an MTR with Amelia & Grace
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09/26/22 • 26 min

Hello everyone, welcome back to episode twelve of the Women Invest In Real Estate podcast! We have had such great feedback and so many questions about our day-to-day’s, so today’s episode is another behind-the-scenes WIIRE episode where we’re going to give you the scoop on what we are both up to in the world of real estate investing and managing our properties.

We’re going to start off with a crazy story that Amelia has been bursting at the seams to share (and has made us wait until we recorded this episode to share) all the deets about recent happenings at her mid-term rental property!

Amelia’s Internet Novella

A few days ago Amelia received a call from Mediacom that they were suspending her service for illegal video downloading. She inquired about the specific router and with several units sharing routers she had to determine exactly when the video downloading occurred to narrow it down to the exact culprit (tenant).

The downloading apparently began the day after this tenant moved in and she was taken aback because they claimed they had called her to inform her previously (nope, they did not, nor could they prove it). No one (and we mean NO ONE) likes to deal with utility companies and this time was no exception.

Amelia’s red mane was flaming and she was furious about the problem this tenant had caused, because not only did he cause her account to be suspended, but Mediacom informed her that if it continued they would be canceling all of her accounts! This would be quite problematic because not only were all of her units in this building run on Mediacom, but a few others as well, including her personal account.

She asked them to give her a few hours to nail down the tenant and resolve the issue and as soon as she hung up she immediately called the tenant. While Amelia normally prefers to handle all of her tenant communication in writing, time was of the essence and she needed an immediate response.

When he answered she immediately informed him that she was aware of what was going on and that the internet has been suspended and he was to remove all content from all of his devices, effective immediately, or she would be taking legal action against him.

To cover her back, she sent him a text message detailing exactly what she had just verbally told him, as well. He was very apologetic but still received a BIG timeout from Amelia’s paid-for wifi.

Grace’s Next Move

With more than 12 units using Mediacom for internet service, they finally advised Grace to move to a commercial internet account (quite literally to help her avoid situations just like Amelia’s), so it doesn’t cause an issue across the board on her accounts.

Grace is also in the process of hiring an in-house Property Manager and could not be more excited! After so much back-and-forth about the decision to hire Grace has pulled the trigger and is now learning how to ‘be the boss’! This investment will come back to her simply on the time she will be saving by having someone else handle all of the little (and big) details for her biz.
For the time being, Grace has been in a reactive stage. She reacts as requests come in, and would rather be able to be in more of a proactive space where she can be prepared for things ahead of time. It is going to be a whole new stage in her business.

Other Updates

Another announcement Amelia is excited to announce is that if you tuned into our first BTS episode you heard that I was under contract on a seller-financed triplex and they finally closed on that property last week! The first thing they are planning to tackle on this project is actually replacing the roof. It will cost around $22,000 to fully demo and replace (including the removal of 4 old layers) the roof of this property. She is also going to have the gutters replaced as well which will add on another $4,000, spending $26,000 right off the bat, which they are financing through a line of credit and they will BRRR into a commercial loan once they are finished with the rehab.

A couple of fun surprises they found on this property were that it still has old knob-and-tube wiring. While it is in good condition, they will likely still go ahead and replace it since so many walls will already be opened up. Another surprise was that this owner actually did a full clean-out from all of the ‘stuff’ that originally had been packed into the property (rare, but a much-appreciated surprise!). Lastly, while they were pulling up the old, brown shag carpeting they discovered beautiful wood floors, in immaculate condition!

That’s all for this episode, friends! If you’re looking to connect with us outside the podcast you can find us each on Instagram:

Women Invest in Real Estate - WIIRE 021: The Best Way to Hire Virtual Assistants with Cat Storing
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11/28/22 • 25 min

We are back this week with episode 21 of the WIIRE podcast and joining us this week is our friend, Cat Storing who recently joined us at our WIIRE retreat in Orlando. Cat is going to be sharing with us all about her experience in hiring Virtual Assistants (VA) to work on her team. Cat had so much to share and brought an amazing energy to the retreat, and we are so excited to have her on this episode.

All About Cat

Cat is a business coach, is really good with technology (her claim to fame), is an author, hosts the REI Podcast, is excellent at figuring out processes, and is really into real estate investing. And while she loves doing all of the things, she is still just one person, so this is where hiring a VA has come in really handy in her business. She has worked as a personal stylist and also in purchasing and now has transitioned into real estate and business coaching. Cat helps people monetize their expertise and is an amazing resource to so many people.

Cat’s First VA

When Cat hired her first VA, she was ready to really dive into the world of social media but knew the demands of social media and the dedication it requires. She also knew she couldn’t be doing all of these things, and posting to social media while still working her full-time job. Cat found her first VA (located in India) on UpWork and her specifics was giving the tasks to her VA and having them complete them overnight so that when she got up in the morning she could review them first thing. The problem (that she now realizes) is that she did not manage them well enough and they wound up taking advantage of her. She paid him on a weekly basis and since she wasn’t reviewing the tasks, he quickly figured that out, and simply stopped completing the tasks.

Now, Cat has learned how to successfully manage her VAs and review their work, prior to submitting payment. Her biggest recommendation for those looking to hire their first VA is to allow them to learn your ways.

Cat’s Best Tips for Hiring a VA

  • Decide exactly what tasks you need to outsource (or what you simply don’t want to do)
  • Look for a VA in your niche if you are looking for a real estate VA look for those specifically)
  • Once you begin working well together figure out if they are teachable and want to learn more tasks before offloading additional tasks on them
  • Have a system in place to review their tasks regularly
  • Treat your VA the way you would want to be treated
  • Start before you need to hire someone (i.e. NOW!)
  • Test the waters with different VAs

If you want to see more about what Cat does, visit her website or connect with her on Instagram.

Thank you so much for joining us, we’ll catch you in the next episode!

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Welcome back to another podcast episode! This week we’re doing a deep dive into partnerships in the world of real estate investing. We’re so excited to share with you the different types of REI partnerships, how we have structured our own partnerships, and also things to consider when it comes to implementing partnerships in your own REI business.

Two Types of REI Partnerships: Debt & Equity Equity Partnership

With an equity partnership, both parties are owners of the property. They both have a piece of the pie. And while your partnership style will depend on exactly whom brings what to the table, in the end, you both own the property.

Pros of Equity Partnerships

Equity partnerships allow you to buy more property, with more credit available and more funds available in general. Also, with equity partnerships, you are merging two strengths together, making for a very powerful partnership and two parties who are typically willing to really give the project their all.

Cons of Equity Partnerships

If you wind up not getting along with your partner, in the long run, that can get quite uncomfortable. Make sure that every so often you reassess your partnership (agreement) and its functionality. It also typically comes with a longer timeline because these types of partnerships operate for years. Make sure the person you partner with is someone you get along very well with.

Also, many people don’t want to split the piece of their pie. And while 100% of nothing, is still nothing, you need to make sure you have a strong operating agreement for things that might come up. This partnership reduces risk and increases the availability of capital between the parties.

Debt Partnership

A debt partnership is at the very simplest, a loan. Think of it just like you are borrowing money from a bank, except these funds are coming from an individual person (often referred to as a ‘private investor’). This type of partnership and loan comes with a specific timeline, interest rate, payback period, etc.

Pros of Debt Partnerships

These partnerships are often much shorter, and once you’ve paid back your investor, you’re all in, on your own. There are also a lot of people looking for dept partners - maybe they have extra money they are looking to invest and you have the know-how and expertise to allow them to invest with your REI project. Ultimately, in our opinion, the biggest pro of debt partnerships is that they are short term and once you’ve paid back your investor, the property, and income, are all yours.

Cons of Debt Partnerships

Debt partnerships typically come at a higher cost. You have a higher interest rate to borrow private money, so typically you have a much shorter timeline for these; BRRRs, flipping, etc., where there is an exit strategy and end of a timeline. These types of loans also typically last under one year and you must pay off the loan in full by the end of that year.

How To Find REI Partners

A great place to look for equity partners is in your own backyard. Talk to family and friends, interact with colleagues, and post on social media that you’re looking for new partnership opportunities. Show them what you’ve done, what you are currently doing, and build that ‘know, like, trust’ factor with them to make them want to know more. Another place to find great equity partners is through your local real estate investing groups and meetups. All of the people in that room are already interested in what you do, so look there to network and structure new partnerships.

To find debt partners, look for investors who already have that extra money. Whether it is equity in their home, a self-directing IRA, or someone with a higher income (doctor, lawyer, etc.) but who doesn’t have the time to do the project themselves. These kinds of people typically want to be hands-off (ideal for a debt partnership), so you are their boots on the ground.

Tips for Partnering

  1. Put yourself out there and don’t be afraid to ask for partnerships, but don’t try to partner too early.
  2. Negotiate and include a management fee if you will be doing the property management yourself.
  3. Make sure you outline a reassessment of your partnership after 1-2 years.

A final piece of advice about partnerships:

Be cautious, but optimistic.

Thank you so much for listening! We would also LOVE to hear more of your burning REI questions or episode ideas so shoot us a DM on Instagram!

See you in the next episode!

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Women Invest in Real Estate - WIIRE 010: How to Hire and Manage a Property Manager with Kayla Thorp
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09/12/22 • 32 min

Hey friends, welcome back to episode 10 of the Women Invest In Real Estate Podcast! This week we are so excited to welcome Kayla Thorp, also known as thatlandlady on Instagram. Kayla is a residential real estate investor in upstate New York whose real estate portfolio currently sits at 40+ doors, mostly in the long-term rental market. Kayla is one of the smartest people we know in the REI biz and we are so honored to have her join us today on the podcast and dive into how she systemizes her business.

Kayla started out like the majority of investors, self-managing her rentals but since then she and her husband now have their own property management team they can rely on to keep their units and operations running like a well-oiled machine.

After purchasing their first couple of rental units, they started out using Cozy.co, and when Cozy merged with Apartments.com they realized the service was not serving them well, nor was it meeting their tenant needs. They pivoted and made the switch over to Buildium, and ultimately switched again to AppFolio, which is what they still use today.

One thing Kayla impresses on other investors is that if you buy a property and don’t factor in a management fee, you are not buying an investment. You are buying a full-time job. The reason for this is that eventually if you want this to become a more passive business, you will need to hire a manager (which hopefully you will see a good ROI with appreciation and rent growth).

For Kayla, that time came sooner than later and they were quickly glad they had factored in that management percentage from the beginning. Being able to keep that management percentage to fund their own business and lifestyle, while building their portfolio, became super valuable for them. At that point, they were already ready to put more systems in place to be able to hire out different pieces of their business.

Their first property management hire was an internal hire. Because Kayla had done her due diligence and created SOPs for each step of her business in the early stages, it made this transition much less painful. They could continuously point back to all of their documented systems and procedures for every detail of exactly how to screen a tenant, turn over a unit, review standards for rental criteria, and so much more.

Being in New York, a very tenant-friendly state, Kayla has had to adjust her management style in a much different fashion than most others operate. Because New York has a unique set of laws and regulations regarding things such as evictions, collecting pet fees, the inability to check previous eviction history, and so much more. They have developed a problem-solving style that has really helped them get through most of these situations, without having to go through the eviction route.

Kayla and her husband also started the Rochester Housing Coalition, which is a group of housing providers and also nonprofit organizations that deal with homelessness in their city to address some of the housing policy concerns and to help the city work through those things in a way that's beneficial to everyone.

Eventually, Kayla and her husband were able to pivot their business and hire their first external property manager, who was actually an old friend of their business partner. They began to hand it off piece by piece starting with maintenance ticket coordination. They began by introducing them to their maintenance team. Introduced them to their ticketing system, worked out all of those kinks, and handed off just that piece. Next, they handed over learning the rent collection system, collecting outstanding rental payments, and so on.

Ultimately Kayla’s goal for herself and her husband was to get down to only working in their business for a total of 10 hours per week before they would consider the stand-up complete. Finally, they were ready to really test their systems and booked an Airbnb, out of town, for a full month to allow their team to really run the show successfully with their hands off.

Kayla’s Tips for Property Management

1. Do not be afraid to reach out to your investing community.

For the most part, the real estate investing community is so welcoming and genuinely wants to help one other. We all want each other to succeed.

2. Visualize the absolute worst-case scenario and piece togethe...

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Women Invest in Real Estate - WIIRE 042: Managing and Training Your Tenants: Tips and Strategies
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04/24/23 • 40 min

Hi, friends! We hope you are ready for some of the best tips and strategies we have for managing and ‘training’ your tenants. This week, we’re diving into red flags to watch out for when it comes to new/potential tenants (and inherited tenants!), and sharing with you some of the ways we have ‘trained’ our tenants to shift them onto our property management software and follow basic rental procedures. Let’s dive in!

Red Flags

  • Sob story tenants
  • Wants to pay multiple months of rent at a time/upfront
  • Carries ‘cash in hand’ the day they tour the unit to rent ASAP
  • Has no rental history
  • Bad credit score (medical bills excluded)
  • Someone that just seems ‘off’ on Facebook

While some of these may be case by case, you need to learn to use your best judgement and truly go with your gut. Some of those sob stories may be completely true and someone may have simply had a run of bad luck, but in our experience this is rarely the case in those instances.

(Bonus! If you have a tenant who needs to better their credit store, TenantCloud offers rent recording to help bump credit and this offers both owners and tenants win-win!)

Managing & Training Your Tenants

Training isn’t just for your property management and staff - but can also be used to get tenants all on the same page as well! Here are some of the situations where you can manage and train your tenants:

  • Paying rent in person; instead transition them to online payments on TenantCloud or directly deposit to your bank
  • Setting tenant communication boundaries
  • Creating expectations for maintenance requests
  • Outline rules and regulations in your lease (+ enforcing them!)
  • Enforce late fees/rent payment due dates (TenantCloud makes this one super easy by automatically applying them to late payments!)
  • Once an eviction notice has been posted any and all communication should be in writing
  • Stick to your eviction notice policy!

Our final piece of advice this week is to treat your business like a business by creating and sticking to your boundaries!

We will catch you in the next episode!

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Women Invest in Real Estate - WIIRE 032: Should You Buy a Property All Cash? with Amelia & Grace
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02/13/23 • 15 min

Hello everyone, welcome back to episode 32 of the WIIRE Podcast! This week we have a special request from one of our followers on Instagram. Melissa writes:

“Hello loving your podcast. I'm new to real estate and we are looking for strictly cash flow to pay for liabilities we have. My husband wants to buy our first investment property with cash, hold, and then later when rates come down, and hopefully, the place appreciates, refinance. I would love a podcast on buying all cash and whether you think that would be okay?”

The short answer, it depends. But what does it depend on?

Well, there are a few factors we would take into consideration before making this decision and in this episode were going to talk about strategies for buying cash, the perks, and the pitfalls of both ways.

What it really comes down to is being able to predict when rates are going to come down. If we could do that, we would be crazy rich. But since we can’t we need to know how to lean into what you know and what you are comfortable with. If you know that you have no debt on a property and you want one cash-flowing rental then that could be a great option. However, if you are looking to scale we would advise against it because you want to keep your capital moving, as quickly as possible in most cases.

So many things can happen to any one given property so consider that. We like to have some diversification in our portfolios. Even if all of your properties are in the same market you can still have a diverse portfolio because you are not relying on one single tenant to pay for everything for you. If you are planning to buy a property then BRRR, or refinance within six months to a year, then we would consider that purchase.

Melissa also mentioned refinancing when the rates come down, but consider this: why not purchase it via financing right now, then refinance again when those rates come down?

“Just because you have a loan on it doesn’t mean you can’t refinance it.”

For us, we're in scale mode; so it's all about the next property. However, Melissa might not be. She might want one and done and that's okay. It’s a really personal decision and there is a lot to consider on both sides.

Thank you SO much, Melissa, for submitting that question. If you have a question you’d like us to feature in an upcoming episode send us a DM on Instagram or reach out via email.

Thanks for tuning in, we’ll catch you in the next episode!

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Women Invest in Real Estate - WIIRE 004: 3 Steps to Launch Your Mid-Term Rental with Amelia & Grace
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08/01/22 • 18 min

Welcome back to episode four of the WIIRE podcast. In today’s episode, we’re going to talk about the first three steps to getting started in mid-term rentals. We are super excited to dive into this topic because we both got started not too long ago in mid-term rentals ourselves so it’s pretty fresh. The steps we are going to cover can also be found in our free downloadable MTR Starter Guide.

We’ve compiled these three steps because they are the most common questions we get about getting started with mid-term rentals. At least once a week we get questions coming into our inbox with questions such as:

  • How to get started
  • How to identify a market
  • Where to list your property

...plus so many more. So we’ve taken all of these great questions and created this free guide.

Step 1: Identify Your Market

How do you know if your market is good for a mid-term rental?

One of the biggest indicators about midterm rentals is that most of the tenants are traveling nurses. The first indicator is if it has hospitals, nursing homes, or some sort of medical facility in the local area. Also, if it has a medium to large population size is a good indicator as well. While mid-term rentals can work anywhere if you're looking to have more of a steady income with a mid-term rental you're going to want to look in a medium to big-sized city. The exception to this is if you are the only mid-term rental in your area.

The other thing about choosing the right market is that it's really going to help in the way that you might be able to turn your midterm rental into a short-term rental, if the opportunity is there, or maybe if mid-term rentals slowing down. And of course, the bigger the city, the more amenities in that city, the easier that's going to be to keep it occupied. One other identifier is, if the city has a major airport for travelers, including airline employees.

Simply doing your research ahead of time to see if there's a need for mid-term rentals in your area will help you decide if it is a good move for you.

Step 2: Identifying A Location

In this step, you need to look within the city you’ve chosen and see where within the city makes sense. One thing that's going to be different than a long-term rental is you need to have A and B-class neighborhoods because these people are coming from out of town and are trusting you to place them in a safe location. They're not going to be there for that long and are not okay with staying in D and C class areas or buildings that are loud, unsafe, and noisy. It needs to be in a good location, safe, cozy, and comfortable.

Many of these travelers are traveling alone and in our experience, over 50% of them have been females, and they want a safe and quiet neighborhood.

Another indicator of a good location is within 15 to 20 minutes of driving distance of the facility that they're going to be working at, specifically if they are a traveling nurse or medical professional. Many of them work on call and if they are called in they need to be within 15-20 minutes of that facility or hospital. Another perk is if it is close to public transportation if it is in a larger city.

Step 3: List your mid-term rental

The most common question we get: ‘where do you list your midterm rental?’

If we could only list our properties in one place, it would be FurnishedFinder. FurnishedFinder is specifically for mid-term rentals and is a platform that targets traveling nurses as well as a lot of other traveling professionals. On FurnishedFinder, bookings tend to come in around three weeks ahead of time.

The other two websites we have also used are AirBNB and also in city-specific Facebook groups for traveling nurses or even city-specific FurnishedFinder groups.

If you’re interested in learning more, check out our course called MTR Profit Academy, designed to start using midterm rentals as a way to start doubling your cash flow.

Thanks for tuning in, see you next week!

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Welcome back to another podcast episode! We recently received a great topic request on Instagram to talk about low and no-money-down deals that we’ve each done so this week we are diving into exactly that. In this episode, we will be sharing three examples of deals we’ve done, all real-life examples from our personal portfolios, and we hope they are super helpful and allow you to think outside of the box!

Amelia purchased a single-family home in April 2021 after having found the deal through a local investor she saw working through Facebook Marketplace. But by the time she called him about the deal, it had already sold, so Amelia did a bit of research and found out that the seller owned multiple properties in the area. She reached out to see if he had other properties for sale and offered a package deal for multiple properties. This offer was for a 30-day close on four properties and despite dragging her dad along (kicking and screaming), it was a killer deal. Amelia and her parents partnered 50/50, but none of them had to come out of pocket for money with their creative financing techniques.

Grace also has done her share of creative financing and on her deal wanted to use instant equity that they were buying into. At the time she had one single-family home that was under construction and wanted to buy two duplexes (four units) for $255,000. 20% Down would have been $51,000, which she absolutely did not have at the age of 23 and only one year into her W-2. Even splitting it 50/50 with her partner wasn’t going to work, but Grace was willing to work some creative financing to make it happen. Grace knew the owner of the four units who had had a wholesaler approach him to purchase the units. Grace convinced the seller to let her look at the unsigned contract and told him, in short, that it was basically a piece of crap, and he should sell to her instead. The good news was that the wholesaler had already worked the seller down to his bottom dollar of $255K.

Grace called the bank she had used for a previous deal, which turned her down. She called a second bank, one she had been banking with personally, and spoke with the VP directly, who knew Grace and her background well and was willing to take the chance on her deal of 10% down. Being newly employed at the time and her boyfriend being unemployed, Grace turned to her sister to bring her in as a 3rd partner in the deal. Her sister agreed and this allowed Grace’s portion of the down payment to drop from the original amount of $51K to only $8,500.

The final example were going to share is the first (and only) deal Grace and Amelia have partnered on together. In a previous episode you heard us share that we purchased a property in Amelias hometown from one of her friends parents for only $38,940. Having mentioned to the seller about a year prior her interesting buying, the seller remembered that seed Amelia had planted.

One important thing to note about this deal was that the seller is moving and not taking everything with them, and was moving into an apartment and didn’t need the immediate seller payoff. Amelia and Grace negotiated to pay her one year after closing, so they could fix it up and flip it with no down payment. They planned to do some painting, updated the flooring, and sell it for between $60-70K. During the process, plans changed and they ended up putting a renter into the property, furnished, and with a few other unexpected expenses coming up, they had to do some additional work to refinance the property so Amelia could solely own the property and buy out Grace’s portion.

A few months in, Amelia refinanced with her local bank to purchase Grace’s portion of the property, which appraised at $65K. To buy out Grace’s portion of the property Amelia partnered with her parents because, despite Amelia financing the down payment, her parents adore the property and would like to flip it when the current tenant moves out. All in all, they were under contract for $38,940 and did a wrap mortgage for the financing, and paid her off in full after the 1-year time period.

One final recommendation...

Don't be afraid to wheel and deal with your bank. Some of them will say no, but some of them also might be interested in what you have to offer, especially if they know that you can get the deal done. So the first deal you do, maybe you won't be able to wheel and deal as much. But as you establish that relationship, just ask and make sure you're exploring all of those options.

We hope you liked the breakdown of these deals. As always, if you have any recommendations for future episodes, feel free to DM us on Instagram. We love getting your requests, and we will catch you in the next...

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Hi everyone, welcome back to the WIIRE podcast! In this week’s episode of the Women Invest In Real Estate podcast we’re going to talk about the five property management mistakes that you should not make. We’ve each learned some of these the hard way and want to help you avoid them at all costs too!

First and foremost, a reminder...Do as we SAY, not as we DO!

5 Property Management Mistakes

1. Not using a property management software!

Yes, they cost money but hear us out. This investment will not only save you time and energy but will streamline your processes, tenfold. We love TenantCloud and highly recommend checking it out. There are a few key things a property management software should do for your business:

  • Allow you to collect deposits, rental payments, fees, etc.
  • Submit maintenance requests
  • Sign rental agreements/leases
  • Communicate with clients
  • Bookkeeping (you’ll thank us come tax season!)

2. Not setting (and sticking to) regular business hours

What that means is don't train your tenants to think that you will reply instantly on Saturday and Sunday, or even instantly at all. We are huge proponents of setting business hours so our tenants know when they can reach us and what our rough turnaround for requests is, aside from emergency situations of course.

What does this look like? If you are on your computer at 7:30pm on a Sunday evening and you see a question come in (not an emergency), let it sit until Monday. Then on Monday, respond by letting them know you just received their request from the weekend and add the rest of the response to their request.

Unless you want property management to be an around-the-clock business, set your business hours, and stick to them. (There will be situations that are clearly emergencies or more urgent and this does not apply to those.)

3. Failing to properly onboard a tenant

Onboarding tenants is definitely more work on the front end of a move-in, but it is so beneficial in the long run. Setting ground rules and training your tenants on expectations from the start is going to help save you a lot of headaches down the road. After they sign the lease, provide them with a simple welcome packet. This could include:

  • Instructions on submitting maintenance requests
  • How to setup utilities (bonus points for adding websites or phone numbers)
  • Expectations for property/community

You should also include a move-in checklist where the tenant goes through the property in the first few days, notes anything that is broken/needs repairing/is damaged then turns it in so they are not held responsible for those upon move-out.

4. Not having an Estoppel Agreement in place for inherited tenants.

An estoppel agreement is a fancy way to describe a document that reiterates the terms of a lease for an inherited tenant. It includes anything that might be a verbal agreement between the tenant and the current landlord. With estoppel agreements, we also ask for all outstanding maintenance requests to ensure there are fewer surprises upon purchase of the property.

Key components of an estoppel agreement are:

  • How much their deposit was
  • What they pay in rent and any fees each month
  • Who is responsible for the utilities
  • Who lives at the residence
  • Any verbal agreements in place between landlord and tenant
  • Lease length

5. Last but certainly not least is doing quarterly, biannual, or annual walkthroughs of your units.

This is so important because it gives you a chance to get into your units and make sure they are being properly cared for but also allows you to look at general maintenance that needs done to keep the property in top shape and not degrade over time (looking at faucets for water leaks, checking for mold, pests, etc.). It will allow you to stay aware of any issues that may arise or what to expect when a tenant moves out and how much work you could expect to have to turn that unit over.

Avoiding these 5 things is simply about being a proactive landlord, rather than a reactive landlord. We too are guilty of (likely) all of these, and like everything in business, there is always room for improvement.

See you next week!

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