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Ginny explains that the way that people ‘meet’ is highly important. By this she means having the confidence to listen and pay attention to someone else and trying stuff that can make you feel silly when meeting someone. Also, to understand even the quietest person in the room has something to contribute and parking your ego to listen and give your attention to others in the room.

Ginny talks to us about DRUM, which she describes as a vessel. She compares it to a drum that sits at the back of a band setting the rhythm and often starting things off. She explains how it involves leaders gathering around a theme, such as wanting to be a better leader or fear of failure. They gather with people curious about the same things through a 3-hour monthly video conference meeting, connecting with people all over the world.

Ginny talks about the importance of having confidence when it comes to how you like to do things as well as having confidence in your ideas. Essential to her success is her community of peers which she describes as what gets you through the challenging times. Ginny shares how hanging out with people who want to grow and learn too helps her to raise her own game.

Ginny leaves us with a few top tips for leaders in corporates including - never ever underestimate your influence.

In this episode you will learn:

• The importance of having confidence in yourself and your ideas
• How DRUM helps leaders to connect with each other around a specific theme of interest
• How people ‘meet’ and the importance of putting aside your ego and really listening and connecting with others at all levels

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About Ginny Baillie MCC:

Coming from a background in property and stockbroking, Ginny’s voyage through supporting leaders to be the best they can be was inspired by her own shocking experience of working inside corporates. Gossip, innuendo, lies, scheming, career ruining management at worse and ben...

Through the Bravest Path, Gareth gives clients the tools to practice taking more and more smart risks. He explains how it’s about making decisions in line with your own personal core values, rather than what other people expect you to.

Gareth talks about unspoken expectations, often expectations that come with a workforce’s culture and the pressure that puts on you. Touching on failure and lack of control, Gareth takes us through how he took control of his life and called time on his police career. He explains that moving on from a role or career doesn’t mean failure, but growth and realisation that your values have changed and that working on your terms is your priority.

One thing Gareth suggests is to ask yourself ‘who am I doing this for?’ Think about the opinions of people in your life who really count, who know what you stand for, and let go of the views of anyone else. He reminds us of the impossibility of trying to please everyone. What matters is showing up as yourself, the best version of yourself, and the importance of courage, being daring and brave.

Gareth has recently been working on a young people’s program to deliver to students to help address the expectations and silent message of perfectionism.

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In this episode you will learn:

• The importance of making decisions and choices based on your core values, not other’s expectations
• Why asking ‘who am I doing this for?’ is crucial to your path in life
• Far more important than trying to please everyone is showing up and being the best version of yourself

Gareth is co-founder of the courage-building consultancy The Bravest Path, and specialises in uncertainty, risk and emotional exposure. He works with organisations who recognise the value in creating a culture of psychological safety and individuals who want to show up as their true, authentic selves. Gareth’s style is bold, direct and tenacious. Previously a leader in the Met Police, his experience with advanced interview techniques enables Gareth to offer a refreshingly different, challenging and accountable approach that builds trust and depth into his client relationships. Gareth is certified to deliver the ground-breaking research of Dr B...

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Episode Timeline:

• [00:01] Reflecting on communication and authenticity in conversations.
• [04:55] Empathy is key in human connections..
• [11:43] Practice silence, and find common ground in communication.
• [17:09] Authenticity, honesty, openness, respect, connection, mindfulness
• [18:45] Connect virtually, understand and support your team.
• [23:32] Managing emotions, empathy and resolving conflicts effectively.
• [24:43] Conflict is disagreement and tension, which must be resolved.
• [31:08] Listen actively, interrupt thoughtfully, enhance communication.
• [32:43] Empower through active listening, honesty, and empathy.
• [36:24] Manage emotions, communicate directly, and foster empathy.

Key Takeaways:

• Understanding and anticipating others' reactions is essential for effective communication, particularly in moments of conflict. Taking a moment to consider our words and actions can lead to more positive outcomes.
• Emotions often play a significant role in workplace conflict. Learning to manage and detach from these emotions can help create boundaries and help us work towards resolution in a constructive manner.
• Building trust, fostering openness, and engaging in meaningful dialogue are crucial elements in resolving conflicts. Active listening and empathy go a long way in creating a safe and inclusive environment where disagreements can be addressed constructively.

Connect:

Find | Cathleen O’Sullivan

Business: cathleenmerkel.com

Email: [email protected]

LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/cathleen-merkel-2b0991151

Instagram: www.instagram.com/cathleenmerkel

Twitter: twitter.com/CathleenMerkel7

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Dr O’Ryan is a Consulting Editor, specializing in Inclusion, Diversity & Representation.

In this Episode 110 of The Legendary Leaders Podcast, Dr O’Ryan talks about how to improve our language to be more inclusive, why it’s important to bring these conversations to light, and how the pandemic has changed the nature of our conversations and interactions. She also shares the result of not implementing change, introducing inclusion & diversity in policy writing, and the “accidental” DEI experts. Ready to learn how?

Episode Timeline:

[07:42] A bit about Dr O’Ryan. [09:36] Working in Tech. [11:36] The keys to success to be at your best. [12:57] Getting in tune with team members. [13:45] Dr O’Ryan’s role in Tech. [14:43] Being a woman in Tech. [16:32] Having a safe space and having to adapt. [18:31] Becoming more confidently aware of inclusion. [24:21] Raising awareness and categorizing humans. [26:14] The complexities in Tech. [27:36] Starting to identify pitfalls early on. [29:32] Examples of frontrunners. [32:18] Influencing change. [34:10] Why it’s important to talk about Diversity, Equity & Inclusion. [37:39] How would the world change with raised awareness? [40:22] How the pandemic helped people feel more like themselves. [45:02] Systemic challenges to authenticity. [48:00] Affecting lasting change. [52:30] Microaggressions. [54:20] The risks for the system when change doesn’t happen. [56:57] Inclusive and diverse policy writing. [59:56] Where’s the “we”? [63:36] Inclusive AF: A Field Guide for Accidental Diversity Experts. [65:48] What it means to be all-in. [66:37] How to become an “accidental” DEI expert. [70:11] Dr O’Ryan’s book No.2. [71:44] Researching LGBTQ+.

Key Takeaways:

• Why is it important to talk about Diversity, Equity & Inclusion?
• The power of creating a space for encouraging conversations on Diversity, Equity & Inclusion.
• How will companies lose out if they don’t implement change?
• How to improve Inclusion & Diversity, in policy writing.
• The nature of the “expert”.
• How to affect lasting, wide-reaching change.
• How to practice using gender-neutral language.
• Dr. O’Ryan’s research into the LGBTQ+ community.

Notable Quotes:

“If the gender is either unknowable or it’s immaterial to what the message is, then just use ‘they’.” – Dr Jen O’Ryan [20:20]

“Once you start noticing the small things, you start noticing the big things.” – Dr Jen O’Ryan [29:03]

“Don’t ever underestimate your ability to change, make a change, or influence change.” – Dr Jen O’Ryan [32:43]

“Our own insecurities about the unknown holds us back from calling things out.” – Cathleen Merkel [34:38]

“There’s no more waiting for people to be comfortable with change.” – Dr Jen O’Ryan [65:32]

“Be the one.” – Dr Jen O’Ryan [76:38]

Connect:

Find | Dr Jen O’Ryan

Business: www.pagingdrjen.com LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/jenoryan. Instagram: @pagingdrjen.

Bio:

Dr. Jen O’Ryan is the Creator of Double Tall Consulting, where she helps organizations achieve effective, measurable, and meaningful results from their Inclusion and Diversity initiatives.

With her approach grounded in continuous improvement, building relationships, and curiosity-based problem solving, Dr. O’Ryan has built global teams, introduced corporate policies, and conducted research to improve customer outcomes and satisfaction.

Dr. O’Ryan is a frequent podcast guest, panelist, and speaker on Inclusion & Diversity, organizational behavior, and influencing change.

Dr. O’Ryan is the author of Inclusive AF: A Field Guide for Accidental Diversity Experts, a roadmap to safely introduce meaningful and lasting change.

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