
Fresh Take: Esau McCaulley, "How Far To The Promised Land"
09/29/23 • 34 min
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How can we talk about America’s ongoing legacy of racism without sliding into despair? In his new memoir HOW FAR TO THE PROMISED LAND, Esau McCaulley tells his own story—and questions why Black failure is judged collectively, while Black success is perceived as the merit of an individual.
Rev. Esau McCaulley, PhD, is an author and associate professor of New Testament at Wheaton College. His work has been published in The New York Times, The Atlantic, the Washington Post, and Christianity Today.
Esau and Amy discuss:
- Why "escaping poverty" is a misleading term
- How experiences that set the context for heroic bravery also create the possibility for failure
- What caused Esau to change his definition of justice
Here's where you can find Esau:
- www.esaumccaulley.com
- @OfficialEsauMcCaulley on Facebook
- @esaumccaulley on Twitter on Instagram
- Buy HOW FAR TO THE PROMISED LAND: https://bookshop.org/a/12099/9780593241080
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How can we talk about America’s ongoing legacy of racism without sliding into despair? In his new memoir HOW FAR TO THE PROMISED LAND, Esau McCaulley tells his own story—and questions why Black failure is judged collectively, while Black success is perceived as the merit of an individual.
Rev. Esau McCaulley, PhD, is an author and associate professor of New Testament at Wheaton College. His work has been published in The New York Times, The Atlantic, the Washington Post, and Christianity Today.
Esau and Amy discuss:
- Why "escaping poverty" is a misleading term
- How experiences that set the context for heroic bravery also create the possibility for failure
- What caused Esau to change his definition of justice
Here's where you can find Esau:
- www.esaumccaulley.com
- @OfficialEsauMcCaulley on Facebook
- @esaumccaulley on Twitter on Instagram
- Buy HOW FAR TO THE PROMISED LAND: https://bookshop.org/a/12099/9780593241080
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https://www.whatfreshhellpodcast.com/p/promo-codes/
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Making It Work With Extended Family
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How do we maintain healthy relationships with our extended family, whether they live five or five hundred miles away? Amy and Margaret talk about how their own extended families operate, and what works best to keep everyone connected.
Amy and Margaret discuss:
- The types of conflicts that extended families typically experience
- The value of extended family—whether or not they live nearby
- How to model healthy extended family relationships for your kids
Here are some links to further reading on the topic:
- Michele Meleen for Love to Know: Definition of Extended Families: Meanings and Roles
- Kiley Hurst for Pew Research Center: More than half of Americans live within an hour of extended family
- Frank Bruni for The NYT: "Tolstoy and Miss Daisy"
- Megan Carnegie for BBC Family Tree: The tensions that fan tricky in-law relationships
- Karen L. Fingerman, et. al, for Purdue University: In-Law Relationships Before and After Marriage: Husbands, Wives, and Their Mothers-in-Law
- Fatherly: 16 Tips For Creating Healthy Boundaries With Your Extended Family
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Ask Margaret: How Do I Handle Devices on Playdates?
Do we have the authority to keep other kids off their own devices in our home?
A listener wrote in to ask:
"How have you all handled other kids' devices in your home? My 9-year-old daughter has neighborhood friends come over most days. There is an 11-year-old with an iPhone and little to no restrictions on its use. Is it overstepping to say that if another kid's device comes in, it has to stay on our kitchen table until they leave?"
Margaret says that it's totally within your control to decide how devices are used in your own house. Have a basket where phones and tablets can be placed at the beginning of a playdate. Or allow their use only in the areas of the house where you can monitor their use.
Don't feel bad about keeping a hard line, even if you get comments or eyerolls from kids. You'll feel much better if you don't have to constantly worry about what kids might be doing on their devices in your house—because that really is your responsibility.
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