#170 Apprenticeships, Sabbaticals & "Good Work" — Steve Schlafman & Matt Yao on slowing down, deprogramming, unlearning, learning from others, deciding to quit, going on a sabbatical, not being jealous anymore, competitiveness and enoughness, finding good work, ambition, the apprenticeship, Downshift, decelerator, marriage, family and reframing money
03/18/24 • 84 min
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Steve is a professional coach and the founder of Downshift — the world's first decelerator. He has left a career in venture, but he remains ambitious, it's just that his ambition is now to have a good, multidimentional life, where he can be a good dad for his kids.
Matt has left a traditional path early on to write, travel and discover his own path. When he met Steve, he offered him to become his apprentice and joined Downshift.
🎥🍿 YOUTUBE: WATCH HERE
Links:
- Downshift
- Steve's website
- Steve's Twitter
- Matt's Twitter
- Matt's blog — Game of One
- Matt's blog — Build in Climate
- Downshift on Twitter
⌛TIMESTAMPS
- (00:00) - Intro
- (02:52) - The scripts that Steve & Matt grew up with
- (05:38) - Slowing down, deprogramming and unlearning
- (12:30) - The cocoon stage
- (14:43) - Deciding to quit
- (19:03) - Learning from others on the path and having children
- (25:56) - Trust
- (29:07) - Matt's sabbatical, finding good work
- (35:04) - No jealousy, competitiveness vs enoughness
- (39:14) - Matt's apprenticeship with Steve
- (48:23) - Putting yourself in a place where it's easy to help you
- (52:21) - Downshift & Ambition
- (01:02:52) - Marriage & Family
- (01:10:40) - Reframing money, skiing and oatmeal
- (01:17:01) - Launching decelerator
- (01:21:12) - Closing remarks
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Steve is a professional coach and the founder of Downshift — the world's first decelerator. He has left a career in venture, but he remains ambitious, it's just that his ambition is now to have a good, multidimentional life, where he can be a good dad for his kids.
Matt has left a traditional path early on to write, travel and discover his own path. When he met Steve, he offered him to become his apprentice and joined Downshift.
🎥🍿 YOUTUBE: WATCH HERE
Links:
- Downshift
- Steve's website
- Steve's Twitter
- Matt's Twitter
- Matt's blog — Game of One
- Matt's blog — Build in Climate
- Downshift on Twitter
⌛TIMESTAMPS
- (00:00) - Intro
- (02:52) - The scripts that Steve & Matt grew up with
- (05:38) - Slowing down, deprogramming and unlearning
- (12:30) - The cocoon stage
- (14:43) - Deciding to quit
- (19:03) - Learning from others on the path and having children
- (25:56) - Trust
- (29:07) - Matt's sabbatical, finding good work
- (35:04) - No jealousy, competitiveness vs enoughness
- (39:14) - Matt's apprenticeship with Steve
- (48:23) - Putting yourself in a place where it's easy to help you
- (52:21) - Downshift & Ambition
- (01:02:52) - Marriage & Family
- (01:10:40) - Reframing money, skiing and oatmeal
- (01:17:01) - Launching decelerator
- (01:21:12) - Closing remarks
📘 GOOD WORK: LIVE! => Learn More
📕 Buy Paul’s Book (50k+ Sold): The Pathless Path
😁 Join Hundreds On Unconventional Paths: Pathless Path Community
📲Connect + Follow Paul
- Twitter: @p_millerd
- Instagram: @pathlesspaul
- Paul’s Newsletter: Subscribe to Pathless (23k+ People)
- Paul’s YouTube: Subscribe
🙏Further Ways To Support The Podcast:
- Accounting, Taxes, And Payroll For Your S-Corp (Ideal for $60k+ income): Collective
- Looking for alternatives to traditional health insurance in the US? Check out Crowdhealth
- I use Transistor to host this podcast. It rocks. Launch Yours Here
- I record high-quality videos using Riverside: Sign Up Here
Previous Episode
#169 "2M Subscribers, I love what I do, should I take a break?" — David Pakman on finding good work early, , how money and motivation changed over time, finding a balance in content creation, life after YouTube, his doubts about taking a sabbatical, having a daughter, dealing with public recognition and hateful comments, the lack of role models
David Pakman is a political commentator and the host of The David Pakman Show. He joins the podcast to explore a possible paradigm shift in the way he approaches his work and life after the birth of his daughter.
🎥🍿 YOUTUBE: WATCH HERE
Links:
- The David Pakman Show
- X (Twitter): @dpakman
- YouTube: David Pakman Show
- Instagram: david.pakman
⌛TIMESTAMPS
- (00:00) - Intro
- (01:50) - The scripts that David grew up with
- (04:04) - David's first steps on the internet
- (06:51) - Finding an alternative path
- (11:49) - Advice for young YouTubers
- (13:55) - Money, motivation, workflows and how they changed over time
- (18:53) - Imagining life after YouTube, doubts about taking a sabbatical
- (28:35) - Having a child
- (31:09) - Taking time off and fans
- (34:54) - Divisive politics, public recognition and hateful comments
- (42:06) - Growth ceiling, YouTube colleagues and the lack of clear role models
- (47:18) - The dynamics of creator economy, YouTube & other creative projects
- (53:35) - David's inspirations, what does he read
- (57:33) - Closing remarks
📘 GOOD WORK: LIVE! => Learn More
📕 Buy Paul’s Book (50k+ Sold): The Pathless Path
😁 Join Hundreds On Unconventional Paths: Pathless Path Community
📲Connect + Follow Paul
- Twitter: @p_millerd
- Instagram: @pathlesspaul
- Paul’s Newsletter: Subscribe to Pathless (23k+ People)
- Paul’s YouTube: Subscribe
🙏Further Ways To Support The Podcast:
- Accounting, Taxes, And Payroll For Your S-Corp (Ideal for $60k+ income): Collective
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Next Episode
#171 "All Work Is Noble," Montessori, and Kids & Work — Matt Bateman on starting growing up with the internet, digital and industrial literacy, studying philosophy and learning how to teach, starting the Guidepost school network, how to train teachers, how children learn and work, values in education, agency, and writing his new book
Matt Bateman has a PhD in philosophy. He has abandoned the academic career, to pursue education in the Montessori system. A dad of three, he is passionate about educating children. Having worked a lot with training the teachers in the Montessori approach, he has now taken a step back to focus on writing his book.
🎥🍿 YOUTUBE: WATCH HERE
Links:
- Matt's Twitter — @mbateman
- montessorium.com
- guidepost
⌛TIMESTAMPS
- (00:00) - Intro
- (01:32) - The scripts that Matt grew up with
- (05:18) - Growing up with the internet
- (08:20) - Kids and technology, digital and industrial literacy
- (14:11) - Babysitting, PhD in Philosophy and learning how to teach
- (17:45) - Getting into Montessori
- (19:40) - Starting the Guideposts & How to train good teachers
- (24:28) - The pathological approach to work we learnt and how little children naturally want to help
- (33:06) - “All work is noble”
- (41:07) - The role of values in education through history
- (48:49) - The Montessori system, differences in non-alphabetic writing systems
- (53:57) - Agency as the aim of education
- (59:08) - Advice for parents, the pros and cons of college
- (01:05:48) - Matt’s new book & the hidden bad value system taught in modern schools
- (01:10:02) - Closing remarks
📘 GOOD WORK: LIVE! => Learn More
📕 Buy Paul’s Book (50k+ Sold): The Pathless Path
😁 Join Hundreds On Unconventional Paths: Pathless Path Community
📲Connect + Follow Paul
- Twitter: @p_millerd
- Instagram: @pathlesspaul
- Paul’s Newsletter: Subscribe to Pathless (23k+ People)
- Paul’s YouTube: Subscribe
🙏Further Ways To Support The Podcast:
- Accounting, Taxes, And Payroll For Your S-Corp (Ideal for $60k+ income): Collective
- Looking for alternatives to traditional health insurance in the US? Check out Crowdhealth
- I use Transistor to host this podcast. It rocks. Launch Yours Here
- I record high-quality videos using Riverside: Sign Up Here
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