
MAFIA MOMENTS: Mark Schatzker on How Big Food is Hijacking Your Taste Buds and Sabotaging Your Health
04/19/24 • 19 min
We're pleased to bring you another great MAFIA MOMENT with our good friend, and author of the book "The Dorito Effect", Mark Schatzker. In this conversation, we explore the significance of our biology and intuition when it comes to nutrition, and Mark takes us on a deep dive of how flavor scientists are manipulating our food.
If you enjoy this conversation, check out our full-length podcast with Mark on episode 30 of the podcast.
00:00 - Nutritional Wisdom: The idea that our palate, inclinations, and cravings are in touch with our inner needs. Mark Schatzker explores this concept in his book, "The Dorito Effect."
02:45 - Behavioral Ecology: Studying animals within their environment and their eating habits reveals a different view of nutrition compared to how humans are typically studied.
05:12 - The Dorito Effect: The phenomenon of whole foods becoming blander and less nutritious while processed foods become more flavorful. This is due to the dilution effect, which occurs through genetics and modern agricultural practices.
08:15 - Dilution Effect: Plants are being genetically modified and raised with pesticides and fertilizers to prioritize growth and productivity over flavor and nutrition.
10:45 - Connection Between Nutrients and Flavor: Scientists Harry Klee and Steve Goff discovered that the most important flavor compounds in tomatoes are synthesized from essential nutrients, suggesting a link between flavor and nutrition.
14:00 - Heirloom Chicken: Mark Schatzker discusses the superior flavor of heirloom chicken compared to modern bland chicken, and how traditional cooking methods utilized this flavor.
17:30 - The Nature of Deliciousness: Schatzker distinguishes between the fleeting pleasure of processed foods like Doritos and the emotionally moving, satiating experience of a genuinely delicious meal.
19:00 - Food Travel Experiences: Schatzker shares his love for traditional, grassroots food and the passionate food cultures of Italy and Japan. He emphasizes the importance of eating local, authentic food when traveling.
We're pleased to bring you another great MAFIA MOMENT with our good friend, and author of the book "The Dorito Effect", Mark Schatzker. In this conversation, we explore the significance of our biology and intuition when it comes to nutrition, and Mark takes us on a deep dive of how flavor scientists are manipulating our food.
If you enjoy this conversation, check out our full-length podcast with Mark on episode 30 of the podcast.
00:00 - Nutritional Wisdom: The idea that our palate, inclinations, and cravings are in touch with our inner needs. Mark Schatzker explores this concept in his book, "The Dorito Effect."
02:45 - Behavioral Ecology: Studying animals within their environment and their eating habits reveals a different view of nutrition compared to how humans are typically studied.
05:12 - The Dorito Effect: The phenomenon of whole foods becoming blander and less nutritious while processed foods become more flavorful. This is due to the dilution effect, which occurs through genetics and modern agricultural practices.
08:15 - Dilution Effect: Plants are being genetically modified and raised with pesticides and fertilizers to prioritize growth and productivity over flavor and nutrition.
10:45 - Connection Between Nutrients and Flavor: Scientists Harry Klee and Steve Goff discovered that the most important flavor compounds in tomatoes are synthesized from essential nutrients, suggesting a link between flavor and nutrition.
14:00 - Heirloom Chicken: Mark Schatzker discusses the superior flavor of heirloom chicken compared to modern bland chicken, and how traditional cooking methods utilized this flavor.
17:30 - The Nature of Deliciousness: Schatzker distinguishes between the fleeting pleasure of processed foods like Doritos and the emotionally moving, satiating experience of a genuinely delicious meal.
19:00 - Food Travel Experiences: Schatzker shares his love for traditional, grassroots food and the passionate food cultures of Italy and Japan. He emphasizes the importance of eating local, authentic food when traveling.
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Chris Kresser: Bitcoin, Blockchain, And Reimagining Societies Broken Systems (Part 2) | MMP 298
Chris Kresser, M.S., L.Ac., is a globally recognized leader in the fields of ancestral health, Functional Medicine, and integrative health. He is the founder of the Kresser Institute, which provides training for the next generation of Functional Medicine practitioners. Chris is also the New York Times bestselling author of The Paleo Cure and Unconventional Medicine. With his extensive background in research, clinical practice, and patient education, Chris has become a powerful advocate for a more holistic, proactive, and patient-centered approach to healthcare.
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- Innovative models aligning incentives and outcomes (Aura Health, CrowdHealth)
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- Formulating evidence-based supplements to address health concerns and market gaps
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(14:45) Hope and Practicality in Health Tech
(22:28) Expanding Impact Through Formulating Supplements
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Delaney William: How To 5x Your Earnings Through Income Stacking | MMP #299
Welcome to part 1 of our 2 part conversation with Delaney William. Delaney is an entrepreneur and founder of Elevated Tech, based in Austin, TX. His company teaches people how to strategically land remote jobs, stack multiple income streams, and automate their work using AI and outsourcing. Through his own journey of going from making $80k to $390k in a single year, Delaney shares the proven mindsets, developed systems and daily practices that he deploys to help others achieve similar income breakthroughs while buying back their time.
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(35:21) Time Management and Prioritization Strategies
(38:19) Future Self Journaling for Goal Setting
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