
Toward Healing Racism: Exploring, Owning and De-Shaming Unconscious Racial Bias and How White people Can Show their Care to re-build Trust Across the Racial Divide
08/13/20 • 58 min
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There is a call for ally-ship in transforming racism in our world right now, that is deep, loud, and finally being heard in the white community.
However, many White people are hesitating to take action, uncertain about the most effective and conscious ways to step up, speak out, and take thoughtful action to help end centuries of injustice, oppression, and violence.
Often, in conversations about racism we remain silent because we're afraid of:
Saying something that might reveal our unconscious biases.
Afraid of getting caught not knowing what we don’t know.
Afraid of offending our friends and colleagues of color.
Afraid of offending our White friends and family by challenging racist comments out for fear of losing these relationships and breaking white solidarity.
To help guide us through these challenges so we can show up as true allies — and actively participate in a global transformation who's time as come — is my guest
Kimberlee Williams, a diversity, equity and inclusion consultant and coach.
Here Are Some Key Things We Discussed:
- Understanding what white supremacy IS and what it's NOT. (Hint: it's not a "White" problem but -something that implicitly lives in everyone (regardless of race) who lives in a White-centric culture.
- Becoming aware of our own implicit racial bias, getting over the need to be "perfect" and learning why it's inevitable that White people will inadvertently say things to offend People of Color.
- 3 simple and essential steps White people can take when this happens to step out of shame and defensiveness and use these uncomfortable moments as opportunities to re-build trust and forge deeper connections with Black people/People of Color.
- Learning how we interpret what it means to "care" very differently according to our cultural norms and how knowing and responding compassionately to these differences is an essential to re-building trust across the racial divide.
Episode Notes:
Kimberlee's Website: Engaging Across Difference
Contact Kimberlee at [email protected]
Books Kimberlee mentioned:
White Fragility by Robin DiAngelo
My Grandmother's Hands by Resmaa Manakem
To learn more about your host Penny Rosenzweig
To learn more about our practitioners and Roots and Wings Healing Arts
Rate Review and Subscribe on Apple Podcasts!"I am really enjoying the Taproot Podcasts. Each episode has had powerful stories about bringing more peace to your life when everything we know has changed. There is so much wisdom about the deeper levels of how we are all connected. I can’t wait to hear more!"
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#009
There is a call for ally-ship in transforming racism in our world right now, that is deep, loud, and finally being heard in the white community.
However, many White people are hesitating to take action, uncertain about the most effective and conscious ways to step up, speak out, and take thoughtful action to help end centuries of injustice, oppression, and violence.
Often, in conversations about racism we remain silent because we're afraid of:
Saying something that might reveal our unconscious biases.
Afraid of getting caught not knowing what we don’t know.
Afraid of offending our friends and colleagues of color.
Afraid of offending our White friends and family by challenging racist comments out for fear of losing these relationships and breaking white solidarity.
To help guide us through these challenges so we can show up as true allies — and actively participate in a global transformation who's time as come — is my guest
Kimberlee Williams, a diversity, equity and inclusion consultant and coach.
Here Are Some Key Things We Discussed:
- Understanding what white supremacy IS and what it's NOT. (Hint: it's not a "White" problem but -something that implicitly lives in everyone (regardless of race) who lives in a White-centric culture.
- Becoming aware of our own implicit racial bias, getting over the need to be "perfect" and learning why it's inevitable that White people will inadvertently say things to offend People of Color.
- 3 simple and essential steps White people can take when this happens to step out of shame and defensiveness and use these uncomfortable moments as opportunities to re-build trust and forge deeper connections with Black people/People of Color.
- Learning how we interpret what it means to "care" very differently according to our cultural norms and how knowing and responding compassionately to these differences is an essential to re-building trust across the racial divide.
Episode Notes:
Kimberlee's Website: Engaging Across Difference
Contact Kimberlee at [email protected]
Books Kimberlee mentioned:
White Fragility by Robin DiAngelo
My Grandmother's Hands by Resmaa Manakem
To learn more about your host Penny Rosenzweig
To learn more about our practitioners and Roots and Wings Healing Arts
Rate Review and Subscribe on Apple Podcasts!"I am really enjoying the Taproot Podcasts. Each episode has had powerful stories about bringing more peace to your life when everything we know has changed. There is so much wisdom about the deeper levels of how we are all connected. I can’t wait to hear more!"
Please help us support more people like you by rating and reviewing our podcast! Click here. Then click "Listen on Apple Podcasts", click "Rate and Review", tap on 5 stars and the leave us a written review! We so appreciate your help in spreading the word about Taproot!
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Learning from and Supporting Our Teens in a Racial Justice Movement (Part 2 with Jenni Wiech LICSW)
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This is Part 2 in our special series for parents of Teens in this epic time of change where we are facing both a global pandemic and a burgeoning racial justice movement. To provide insight, perspective and guidance so we can both maintain our own healthy boundaries and support our teens developmental needs and unique life challenges I’ve invited my colleague Jenni Wiech LICSW-a psychotherapist who has been working with teens and their parents for over a decade.
Here's a peak at what we discussed:
- How to support the strong desire in many of our teens to be activists while keeping them safe in a pandemic.
- How we can keep our eyes and minds open while we ride the steep learning curve we are on as parents as many of us are working to educate ourselves and keep pace with the awarenesses many of our kids already have around racism, and inequality and the effect of implicit racial bias and white privilege on people of color.
- How to help our kids respond to the complexities of activism in the world of social media, where they may be finding themselves being called out, criticized and sometimes bullied by peers whether they speak out against racism or stay silent.
Jenni Wiech specializes in family systems theory and teaches practices for healthy attachment and healing trauma. She works through a mindfulness based approach called Dialectical Behavioral Therapy (DBT) that helps people to develop skills for self-awareness, emotional regulation, effective communication and healthy boundaries.
Show Notes:
The book Jenni Mentioned:
Raising White Kids: Bringing Up Kids in a Racially Unjust America by Jennifer Harvey
To learn about Jenni's Parenting and Teen Workshops
To contact Jenni by email: [email protected]
To learn more about your host Penny Rosenzweig
To learn more about our practitioners and Roots and Wings Healing Arts
Rate Review and Subscribe on Apple Podcasts!"I am really enjoying the Taproot Podcasts. Each episode has had powerful stories about bringing more peace to your life when everything we know has changed. There is so much wisdom about the deeper levels of how we are all connected. I can’t wait to hear more!"
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Astrology as a Map and Compass for the Soul
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In this episode, we discuss the powerful tool of Astrology for personal and spiritual growth and evolution. Not the often misunderstood, over-simplified pop-culture sun-sign horoscopes you may be familiar with. But we're talking about the deep insight and wisdom that can come from a professional astrological reading of our birth chart which my guest, Astrologer Sarah Fuhro, describes as a personal map and compass for our soul's journey in this lifetime.Here some things we discussed:
- Fate vs. free-will through the eyes of astrology
- How astrology can reveal the soul lessons and gifts hidden in our life challenges, losses and traumas
- How astrology can help us see the soul contracts and opportunities for growth in our key relationships
- The important influence of the position of the Moon, and our Ascendent (planet on the horizon) at the moment of our birth.
- A primer of the 12 houses of the zodiac-what aspects of our life they each represent and how the planets that are transiting through them at the moment of our birth set up the framework for our life story.
- Covid pandemic-astrological influences and evolutionary potentials for humanity held by this event
- Generational astrology-understanding timed astrological events that affect each of us (new and full moons, Saturn Return (mid-life “crisis”) as cosmic forces that usher in initiations for our personal growth and our Soul’s evolution
Links mentioned in this episode:
https://sarahfuhro.wordpress.com
http://www.sarahfuhro.com
To learn more about your host Penny Rosenzweig
To learn more about our practitioners and Roots and Wings Healing Arts
About Sarah:
Sarah Fuhro is a graduate of the Astrology Institute’s certificate programs in Astrology and Astrological Counseling. She has combined her background as an astrologer with her training as a practitioner to work with clients in a unique combination, which she calls, Star-Flower Alchemy.
Sarah is also a professional Tarot reader and teacher. She offers her students a deep knowledge of the Western Mystery Tradition which she has studied since 1976.For over 30 years, Sarah has practiced as an astrologer.
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