The Other S-Word: Let’s Talk About Suicide (Ep.86)
03/20/24 • 55 min
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Guests are: Karlyn Nelson and Michelle Post
Karlyn Nelson
Survivor of Suicide Loss | Breast Cancer Warrior | Realtor
Michelle Post, M.A., is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist (MFC 40198) with nearly 20 years of experience providing counseling and psychotherapy to clients in the greater Los Angeles area
According to the NIMH, People with schizophrenia have a much higher rate of suicide than the larger population: People with schizophrenia have a 10% rate of suicide compared with the larger population’s 1.3%rate of suicide.
Suicide is the biggest reason for the decreased life expectancy of people with schizophrenia.
A larger number of people with schizophrenia contemplate suicide. Around 40–79% of people with schizophrenia have reported having suicidal thoughts.
Saddest fact is that it is at the time of improved insight that most attempts are made. ie. when the person has finally moved past anosognosia and realizes his plight it is with improved understanding that this decision is made.
We Ask:
- What is an “emotional heart attack”/
- What are "The Five Things" when dealing with suicide loss in the family?:
- Get help yourself (best indicator of how well a child does after the death of a parent is how well the surviving parent copes... so if only one can get help, needs to be the parent).
- Use truthful and clear info about the cause of death and explain it in child terms – let the child lead with questions – do not over load them with info. They will need different info as they age
- Acknowledge and validate a child’s feelings
- Reassure them they are not to blame
- Address their fears and anxieties
- Encourage them to continue routine activities, structure gives them a sense of security
- Include them in as many memorial / activities around the illness, injury, and death as they choose.
- Prepare them
- Let them make an informed decision
- Share info and allow participation
- Debrief with them.
3. What can be done for suicide prevention?
LINKS:
Suicide hotline: 988
https://postfamilycounseling.com/
https://www.instagram.com/karlynnelson/
https://didihirsch.org/wp-content/uploads/Manual_for_Suppor
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Randye Kaye
Mindy Greiling
Miriam (Mimi) Feldman
Send a Text to the Moms - please include your contact info if you want a response. thanks!
Guests are: Karlyn Nelson and Michelle Post
Karlyn Nelson
Survivor of Suicide Loss | Breast Cancer Warrior | Realtor
Michelle Post, M.A., is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist (MFC 40198) with nearly 20 years of experience providing counseling and psychotherapy to clients in the greater Los Angeles area
According to the NIMH, People with schizophrenia have a much higher rate of suicide than the larger population: People with schizophrenia have a 10% rate of suicide compared with the larger population’s 1.3%rate of suicide.
Suicide is the biggest reason for the decreased life expectancy of people with schizophrenia.
A larger number of people with schizophrenia contemplate suicide. Around 40–79% of people with schizophrenia have reported having suicidal thoughts.
Saddest fact is that it is at the time of improved insight that most attempts are made. ie. when the person has finally moved past anosognosia and realizes his plight it is with improved understanding that this decision is made.
We Ask:
- What is an “emotional heart attack”/
- What are "The Five Things" when dealing with suicide loss in the family?:
- Get help yourself (best indicator of how well a child does after the death of a parent is how well the surviving parent copes... so if only one can get help, needs to be the parent).
- Use truthful and clear info about the cause of death and explain it in child terms – let the child lead with questions – do not over load them with info. They will need different info as they age
- Acknowledge and validate a child’s feelings
- Reassure them they are not to blame
- Address their fears and anxieties
- Encourage them to continue routine activities, structure gives them a sense of security
- Include them in as many memorial / activities around the illness, injury, and death as they choose.
- Prepare them
- Let them make an informed decision
- Share info and allow participation
- Debrief with them.
3. What can be done for suicide prevention?
LINKS:
Suicide hotline: 988
https://postfamilycounseling.com/
https://www.instagram.com/karlynnelson/
https://didihirsch.org/wp-content/uploads/Manual_for_Suppor
Want to know more?
Join our facebook page
Our websites:
Randye Kaye
Mindy Greiling
Miriam (Mimi) Feldman
Previous Episode
Ambiguous Loss - Living with grief caused by SMI (guest: Jerri Clark) (Ep. 85)
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We’re delighted to welcome a return guest, Jerri Clark.
Jerri first joined us on Episode 32, “Channeling Grief and Anger into Advocacy and Acceptance”, and is now working with TAC (Treatment Advocacy Center-, see Episode 71 with Kathy Day. Episode 31 with Lisa Dailey, Episode 35 with Sabah Muhammad ), ) as Family Resource and Advocacy Manager. She has a fellowship as TAC’s DJ Jaffe Advocate this year. Jerri is a family member whose son with SMI died from suicide.
The six coping strategies (not linear)
- Normalize Ambivalence
- Find Meaning
- Adjusting Mastery
- Reconstruct Identity
- Revive Attachment
- Discover New Hope
We Ask:
1. Tell us a bit about your story, Calvin and how you came to your present job at TAC.
2. Tell us about your fellowship as TAC's DJ Jaffe Advocate
3. Who coined the term Ambiguous Loss, and what does it mean?
4. How does one process this complex form of grief when there is little recognition of its impact?
5. How are you developing strategies for dealing with Ambiguous Loss? - what is the
ambiguous loss family training project ?
Links:
https://www.treatmentadvocacycenter.org/
Facebook: TAC Family Support Group:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/tacsupport
Mindy and her book: https://mindygreiling.com/
Randye and her book: https://www.randyekaye.com/
Miriam and her book: https://www.miriam-feldman.com/
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Next Episode
SMI and the Challenge of Dental Care: Let’s Talk Teeth (Ep. 87)
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Guest:
Lauren Yasuda Rainey , DDS
We ask about getting people with schizophrenia to care for their teeth, if/how medications affect teeth, the effect of Medicaid only paying for annual cleanings and check ups, compared to private insurance that pays for twice a year. Many of our listeners have asked for a show on dental issues and of course we are interested too!
Dr. Lauren Yasuda Rainey completed a General Practice Residency at Tufts University School of Dental Medicine.
At Tufts, a majority of her time was treating persons with medically complex needs and managing patients with her co-residents that came through Tufts Medical Center Emergency Department.
Currently she teaches dentists in the US & Canada minimally invasive restorative techniques.
We ask:
1. What do you recommend to patients and/or their families for getting people with schizophrenia and other serious mental illnesses (SMI) to care for their teeth?
2. Do medications, especially psych meds, affect teeth? If so, how?
3. What is the effect of Medicaid only paying for annual cleanings and checkups, compared to private insurance that usually pays for twice a year?
4. What challenges have you encountered in caring for people with SMI?
Links:
@raineydds
https://www.catapulteducation.com/blog/laurenyasudaraineyRandye on Lisa Wexler show re incarceration and SMI:
https://shows.acast.com/6398bb70ee249200127c1182/episodes/randye-kayes-personal
Products:
https://cocofloss.com/(The founder of Cocofloss, another mom dentist, is providing the PROMO code for your podcast listeners to purchase pH 8 toothpaste!
THREEMOMS for 15% off sitewide thru 6/30 on Cocofloss.com)
https://www.voco.dental/us/home.aspxTo purchase pH balanced anti-cavity products visit: https://carifree.com/shop/
To find a dentist that carries & is knowledgeable about those pH balanced products in-office visit: https://carifree.com/find-a-dentist/
Other products mentioned:
RiseWell Scrubby floss infused with hydroxyapatite to remineralize teeth
https://risewell.com/products/scrubby-floss
Cocoshine toothpase, pH 8, whitening and remineralizing, mint and lychee breeze flavors:
https://cocofloss.com/collections/brush-and-shine
ReminPro, pH 7 (neutral), remineralizing and anti-sensitivity:
Information here: https://www.voco.de
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