
Episode 250 Becoming a World Record Holder with Jenn Drummond
02/07/25 • 43 min
John talks with Jenn Drummond — World Record Holder as the first woman to conquer the 7 Second Summits, author of BreakProof: 7 Strategies to Build Resilience and Achieve Your Life Goals, host of the Seek Your Summit Podcast, speaker, entrepreneur, and mom of seven. Jenn has climbed famous peaks like Ama Dablam in Nepal, Mount Kenya, Mount Logan, and Mount Tyree in Antarctica.
Listen to this episode to learn more:
[00:00] - Intro
[00:29] - Jenn’s bio
[01:56] - How Jenn became a mountaineer
[08:22] - Hardest and most rewarding climbs for Jenn
[12:06] - What's involved in becoming a world-class mountaineer
[15:55] - Jenn’s workout regimen and training
[19:19] - Financial investment required for climbing expeditions
[20:55] - Sponsorships and brand partnerships to fund climbing expeditions
[22:19] - Jenn’s book: BreakProof
[23:41] - John’s book update
[25:33] - How Jenn builds her significant relationships
[27:24] - Jenn definition of success
[31:19] - #1 daily habit for Jenn
[32:08] - Traits of a great leader
[32:34] - Best advice Jenn ever received
[34:14] - Jenn’s biggest failing and lesson learned
[35:24] - NO’s are important
[37:41] - How Jenn invests in her growth
[39:02] - What Jenn does to create memories with her kids
[41:31] - Best way to connect with Jenn
[43:51] - Book recommendations
[45:08] - Closing remarks
NOTABLE QUOTES:
“I don’t get to choose when I die, but I sure get to choose how I live.”
“Big mountains take big teams. And so, if you have a big goal, a big family, or a big business to run, it takes a lot of people to make that happen.”
“Our calendar really is the truth-teller of what we value in our lives.”
“If you always do things right, you don’t learn a thing. You only learn when you fail.”
“I need to be kind to myself because that actually makes me stronger. The world’s hard enough—me being hard on myself isn’t going to help the situation at all.”
“No one remembers what the goal looks like. They remember the score of the game.”
“No’s are actually a good thing. Those no’s are so important because, first of all, a no almost always is not a forever no—it’s a no at the moment. And the other is that when they say no, that helps narrow the pool down for you. It gets you closer to knowing who your people are.”
“Not all crazy ideas are good, but all good ideas are a little bit crazy.”
“The more we can invest in ourselves, the more it gives us to invest in other people. You can’t give what you don’t have.”
BOOKS MENTIONED:
- The 7 Habits of Highly Effective People by R. Stephen Covey (https://a.co/d/iSg11cx)
- The Richest Man In Babylon by George S. Clason (https://a.co/d/bYaJHeP)
- The Magic of Thinking Big by David J. Schwartz (https://a.co/d/iDCBcb7)
- Rich Dad, Poor Dad by Robert Kiyosaki (https://a.co/d/467iAdv)
PODCAST MENTIONED:
- The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett ( https://www.youtube.com/@TheDiaryOfACEO)
USEFUL RESOURCES:
Text “Everest” to 33777 to get Jenn’s video of the Milky Way Galaxy going over Mt. Everest
https://www.linkedin.com/in/jenn-drummond/
https://www.instagram.com/thejenndrummond
https://www.facebook.com/jennifer.drummond.927
https://www.facebook.com/jenndrummondutah
https://jenndrummond.com/podcast/
https://www.youtube.com/@jenndrummond
BreakProof: 7 Strategies to Build Resilience and Achieve Your Life Goals (https://a.co/d/3mW7rn9)
CONNECT WITH JOHN
Website - https://iamjohnhulen.com
Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/johnhulen
Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/johnhulen
Twitter - https://www.twitter.com/johnhulen
LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin...
John talks with Jenn Drummond — World Record Holder as the first woman to conquer the 7 Second Summits, author of BreakProof: 7 Strategies to Build Resilience and Achieve Your Life Goals, host of the Seek Your Summit Podcast, speaker, entrepreneur, and mom of seven. Jenn has climbed famous peaks like Ama Dablam in Nepal, Mount Kenya, Mount Logan, and Mount Tyree in Antarctica.
Listen to this episode to learn more:
[00:00] - Intro
[00:29] - Jenn’s bio
[01:56] - How Jenn became a mountaineer
[08:22] - Hardest and most rewarding climbs for Jenn
[12:06] - What's involved in becoming a world-class mountaineer
[15:55] - Jenn’s workout regimen and training
[19:19] - Financial investment required for climbing expeditions
[20:55] - Sponsorships and brand partnerships to fund climbing expeditions
[22:19] - Jenn’s book: BreakProof
[23:41] - John’s book update
[25:33] - How Jenn builds her significant relationships
[27:24] - Jenn definition of success
[31:19] - #1 daily habit for Jenn
[32:08] - Traits of a great leader
[32:34] - Best advice Jenn ever received
[34:14] - Jenn’s biggest failing and lesson learned
[35:24] - NO’s are important
[37:41] - How Jenn invests in her growth
[39:02] - What Jenn does to create memories with her kids
[41:31] - Best way to connect with Jenn
[43:51] - Book recommendations
[45:08] - Closing remarks
NOTABLE QUOTES:
“I don’t get to choose when I die, but I sure get to choose how I live.”
“Big mountains take big teams. And so, if you have a big goal, a big family, or a big business to run, it takes a lot of people to make that happen.”
“Our calendar really is the truth-teller of what we value in our lives.”
“If you always do things right, you don’t learn a thing. You only learn when you fail.”
“I need to be kind to myself because that actually makes me stronger. The world’s hard enough—me being hard on myself isn’t going to help the situation at all.”
“No one remembers what the goal looks like. They remember the score of the game.”
“No’s are actually a good thing. Those no’s are so important because, first of all, a no almost always is not a forever no—it’s a no at the moment. And the other is that when they say no, that helps narrow the pool down for you. It gets you closer to knowing who your people are.”
“Not all crazy ideas are good, but all good ideas are a little bit crazy.”
“The more we can invest in ourselves, the more it gives us to invest in other people. You can’t give what you don’t have.”
BOOKS MENTIONED:
- The 7 Habits of Highly Effective People by R. Stephen Covey (https://a.co/d/iSg11cx)
- The Richest Man In Babylon by George S. Clason (https://a.co/d/bYaJHeP)
- The Magic of Thinking Big by David J. Schwartz (https://a.co/d/iDCBcb7)
- Rich Dad, Poor Dad by Robert Kiyosaki (https://a.co/d/467iAdv)
PODCAST MENTIONED:
- The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett ( https://www.youtube.com/@TheDiaryOfACEO)
USEFUL RESOURCES:
Text “Everest” to 33777 to get Jenn’s video of the Milky Way Galaxy going over Mt. Everest
https://www.linkedin.com/in/jenn-drummond/
https://www.instagram.com/thejenndrummond
https://www.facebook.com/jennifer.drummond.927
https://www.facebook.com/jenndrummondutah
https://jenndrummond.com/podcast/
https://www.youtube.com/@jenndrummond
BreakProof: 7 Strategies to Build Resilience and Achieve Your Life Goals (https://a.co/d/3mW7rn9)
CONNECT WITH JOHN
Website - https://iamjohnhulen.com
Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/johnhulen
Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/johnhulen
Twitter - https://www.twitter.com/johnhulen
LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin...
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Episode 249 Honest Answers with Lena Sisco (Part 2)
John continues his conversation with Lena Sisco. In the previous episode, Lena shared her journey from studying archaeology to becoming a US Naval Intelligence Officer and developing the Sisco Method of Interviewing.
In this episode, they discuss the hurdles Lena faced in the early days of entrepreneurship, the importance of self-awareness and situational awareness in building better relationships, asking interrogative questions (who, what, when, where, why, how), and much more!
Listen to this episode to learn more:
[00:00] - The role of a great leader
[04:08] - Hurdles Lena overcame in becoming an entrepreneur
[07:04] - The hidden workload of entrepreneurs
[08:44] - How Lena improves her significant relationships
[11:42] - The waiting in conversations
[13:48] - Defining sales and marketing
[16:31] - Choosing the right clients and saying no
[20:14] - The importance of vetting potential hires and clients
[24:09] - Why people avoid calling a lie what it truly is
[27:18] - Dating someone who is an expert in human behavior
[28:31] - Advice for entrepreneurs and leaders
[32:32] - How Lena got involved in TV
[35:05] - Analyzing serial killers
[38:24] - Lena’s ideal client
[39:23] - Best way to connect with Lena
[40:48] - Lena’s definition of success
[41:24] - #1 daily habit
[42:56] - Traits of a great leader
[44:13] - How Lena invests in her growth
[48:31] - Book recommendations
[50:36] - Closing thoughts
NOTABLE QUOTES:
“I did not make a salary that could pay my bills for three years... Now I’m making money. So it’s being patient, it’s being persistent. It’s failing and getting back up.”
“You have got to be self-aware because if you’re not, you cannot be situationally aware.”
“Never partner up with someone who’s either going to treat you with disrespect or create chaos and negativity.”
“The number one, most accurate indicator of deception is behavioral incongruence.”
“Ask an interrogative question. Make it clear, concise, and specific. You’ll get the answer you want and need.”
“Be super clear, concise, direct, and deliberate in your questioning and communication.”
“Just because you’re asking these very direct, specific, pinpointed, good questions doesn’t mean you have to sound like a robot.”
“If your gut feeling is saying, ‘Don’t trust them,’ pay attention to that gut feeling.”
“Be ready to lead when you have to, and be ready to serve when you have to.”
BOOK MENTIONED:
- Leading Leaders: How to Manage Smart, Talented, Rich, and Powerful People by Jeswald W. Salacuse (https://a.co/d/gFQU7Vb)
PODCAST MENTIONED:
- Craig Groeschel Leadership Podcast ( https://tinyurl.com/CraigGroeschelLeadershipPod)
USEFUL RESOURCES:
https://www.thecongruencygroup.com/
https://www.linkedin.com/in/lena-sisco-8a31b451/
https://www.instagram.com/lenasisco11/
https://www.facebook.com/lena.sisco
https://www.facebook.com/lenasiscoTCG
https://www.youtube.com/@therealinterrogationroom
"My Secret to Breaking Terrorists: Detecting Deception & Rapport" - TEDx Talk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9j8iJHSCbY&t=63s
You're Lying: Secrets From an Expert Military Interrogator to Spot the Lies and Get to the Truth (https://a.co/d/1kQm5eg)
Marine Scout Snipers: True Stories From U.S. Marine Corp Snipers (https://a.co/d/94OrIqW)
Honest Answers: Interview and Negotiation Skills to Get to the Truth (https://a.co/d/9g5VBK5)
CONNECT WITH JOHN
Website - https://iamjohnhulen.com
Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/johnhulen
Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/johnhulen
Twitter - https://www.twitter.com/johnhulen
LinkedIn - ht...
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Episode 251 The Art of Self-Leadership with Heather Younger
John talks to Heather Younger — CEO of Employee Fanatix, 2-time TEDx speaker, attorney, workplace culture expert and speaker, best-selling author, host of the Leadership with Heart Podcast, wife, and mom of four. Heather's new book, The Art of Self-Leadership: Discover the Power Within You and Learn to Lead Yourself, was released on February 11, 2025.
Listen to this episode to learn more:
[00:00] - Intro
[01:34] - Heather’s bio
[04:19] - Heather’s new book: The Art of Self-Leadership
[06:55] - Caring leadership umbrella and how self-leadership fits into it
[08:54] - Who The Art of Self-Leadership book is intended for
[10:53] - Convincing unaware leaders that they need self-leadership to be effective
[12:53] - Why you should always buy multiple copies of a book
[15:36] - Tip for those with no budget for books
[17:19] - Why Heather wrote the book
[22:01] - People who give advice on something they have never done
[25:02] - The struggle with perfectionism and how to overcome it
[29:23] - Tips for discovering and leveraging your strengths
[31:04] - Why self-understanding matters
[33:02] - No one cares about a business more than the owner
[34:01] - Heather’s unique fashion style
[36:43] - Best way to connect with Heather
[37:15] - The best and worst things about being a speaker
[38:27] - How Heather keeps work and home life in harmony
[39:53] - Closing remarks
NOTABLE QUOTES:
"It’s really impossible to lead other people well if you can’t lead yourself well first."
"Stop waiting, for goodness sake, and begin to lead yourself. No one’s coming to save you, no one’s coming to open a door for you — you need to lodge it open just the way it is."
"We all have to go through the fire, we all have to hit the wall, in order to see that being stuck is not a fun place."
"Caring leadership is showing concern and kindness for those who look to you for guidance."
"We can't grow from a place of not knowing. So, that's why self-understanding is important."
"Nobody else is going to be there to advocate for you as much as you will for yourself. This is where self-leadership is at. How much do you own yourself in your journey?"
"The difference between progress and perfection is grace, too. To feel like we insert grace into the process because we know we're not going to be perfect, and we know that we're human in regard."
"The best part of speaking is meeting people. The worst part is not knowing where you land with them."
BOOK MENTIONED:
- Who Moved My Cheese? by Spencer Johnson, M.D. (https://a.co/d/5ZwiLgh)
APP MENTIONED:
USEFUL RESOURCES:
https://relationshipsandrevenue.libsyn.com/episode-139-heather-r-younger
https://www.linkedin.com/in/heatherryounger/
https://www.instagram.com/heatherryoungerofficial/
https://www.facebook.com/hyounger2
https://www.youtube.com/c/HeatherRYounger-EmployeeLoyalty-LeadershipExpert
Leadership with Heart Podcast (https://tinyurl.com/LeadershipWithHeartPodcast)
The Art of Self Leadership: Discover the Power Within You and Learn to Lead Yourself (https://a.co/d/icZ8old)
The Art of Caring Leadership: How Leading with Heart Uplifts Teams and Organizations (https://a.co/d/32mLJkL)
The Art of Active Listening: How People at Work Feel Heard, Valued, and Understood (https://a.co/d/eH6S1db)
Leading with Purpose: The Ultimate Masterclass Workbook (https://a.co/d/25k823o)
The 7 Intuitive Laws of Employee Loyalty: Fascinating Truths About What It Takes to Create Truly Loyal and Engaged Employees (https://a.co/d/73utzmw)
CONNECT WITH JOHN
Website - https://thejohnhulen.com
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