
Operational, Political and Legal Implications of AUKUS - David Nicholls, Matt McDonald and Monique Cormier
10/13/21 • 54 min
In this live recording of an event, Rain Liivoja talks with David Nicholls, Matt McDonald and Monique Cormier about the new AUKUS arrangement, under which Australia would acquire 8 nuclear-powered submarines with US and UK technology. They discuss the extent to which it represents a major shift in Australia's defence policy, and what we can make of some of the claims made about it.
David Nicholls is the Executive Director of the Submarine Institute of Australia. A former submarine commander in the Royal Australian Navy, he now works as a defence industry consultant.
Dr Matt McDonald is an Associate Professor in The University of Queensland's School of Political Science and International Studies. His research focuses on critical theoretical approaches to security and their application to issues such as Australian foreign and security policy, and Asia-Pacific security dynamics.
Dr Monique Cormier is a Senior Lecturer in the University of New England's School of Law. Her research covers international criminal law, and legal issues relating to nuclear disarmament and extended nuclear deterrence.
In this live recording of an event, Rain Liivoja talks with David Nicholls, Matt McDonald and Monique Cormier about the new AUKUS arrangement, under which Australia would acquire 8 nuclear-powered submarines with US and UK technology. They discuss the extent to which it represents a major shift in Australia's defence policy, and what we can make of some of the claims made about it.
David Nicholls is the Executive Director of the Submarine Institute of Australia. A former submarine commander in the Royal Australian Navy, he now works as a defence industry consultant.
Dr Matt McDonald is an Associate Professor in The University of Queensland's School of Political Science and International Studies. His research focuses on critical theoretical approaches to security and their application to issues such as Australian foreign and security policy, and Asia-Pacific security dynamics.
Dr Monique Cormier is a Senior Lecturer in the University of New England's School of Law. Her research covers international criminal law, and legal issues relating to nuclear disarmament and extended nuclear deterrence.
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Precautions in defending digital infrastructure - Eve Massingham
In this episode, Dr Simon McKenzie talks with Dr Eve Massingham about the equirement to take precautions against the effects of attack. This obligation requires the defender to minimise the risk that civilians and civilian objects will be harmed by enemy military operations – such as by locating military bases away from civilian areas, or by clearly marking non-military objects. They discuss how this might work when it comes to digital infrastructure, including the challenges of dual-use technology, and the value of applying IHL principles to new technology.
Dr Eve Massingham is a Senior Research Fellow with the School of Law, The University of Queensland. Eve's current research focuses on the diverse ways in which the law constrains or enables autonomous functions of military platforms, systems and weapons. She is the co-editor of Ensuring Respect for International Humanitarian Law (Routledge, 2020) and she has published a number of book chapters and journal articles in the fields of international humanitarian law and international law, and the use of force.
Further reading:
- ICRC resources on war in cities
- Erik Jensen, 'War in cities: Attackers have rules to follow. What about defenders?', Humanitarian Law and Policy Blog ( 16 March 2017)
- Humanitarian Law and Policy Blog series on avoiding civilian harm during cyber operations
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What space law can tell us about international law - Cris van Eijk
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Further reading:
- Cris van Eijk, ‘Unstealing the Sky: Third World Equity in the Orbital Commons’
- Cris van Eijk and Timiebi Aganaba-Jeanty, ‘Inspired by Africa: A New Approach to Global Space Governance’
- Cassandra Steer and Matthew Hersch (eds), War and Peace in Outer Space: Law, Policy, and Ethics
- Joshua Fitzmaurice and Stacey Henderson, ‘On the Legality of Mars Colonisation’
- Surabhi Ranganathan, ‘Ocean Floor Grab: International Law and the Making of an Extractive Imaginary’
- Surabhi Ranganathan, ‘The Common Heritage of Mankind: Annotations on a Battle’,
- Cair Storr, 'Space Is the Only Way to Go: On the Evolution of the Extractivist Imaginary of International Law’,
- Elena Cirkovic, ‘The Next Generation of International Law: Space, Ice, and the Cosmolegal Proposal’
- Natalie Treviño, ‘The Cosmos Is Not Finished’ (PhD, Western University 2020)
- Timiebi Aganaba-Jeanty, ‘Space Sustainability and the Freedom of Outer Space’
- Fabio Tronchetti, ‘Legal Aspects of the Military Uses of Outer Space’, Handbook of Space Law
- Tanja Masson-Zwaan and Mahulena Hofmann, Introd
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