Untangled Faith

Amy Fritz

A podcast for anyone who has found themself disillusioned or discouraged in their faith journey and who wants to hold on to their faith while untangling it from all that is not good or true.

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69:Going On The Record with Lori Adams-Brown & Lori Harding: Trust, Trauma & Telling Your Story

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02/08/23 • 40 min

"We did this out of love to protect sheep. Exposing the darkness to the light is how it happens." - Lori Adams-Brown

Some of you have a story to tell that you’ve never told anyone.

And some of you are wondering if that story should find it’s way to a journalist.

Where would you go?

How does that even work?

What all goes into the process and what do you need to know to make it out on the other side?

Today I’m joined by two friends who answer those questions as we pull back the curtain to show you what it’s like to go on the record for a journalist.

Lori Adams-Brown and Lori Harding are two courageous women who have gone on the record with journalist Julie Roys to share their stories of abuse in the church. In this episode:

1. How they decided to go public with their story of abuse. What was the process like? What were their concerns? How did they navigate the process? 2. The role of investigative journalism in exposing the darkness and restoring the church: How did they choose a reporter? What were the expectations? What was the interview process like? 3. The consequences of speaking out: How did they prepare for the backlash? What were some of the criticisms they faced?

Links:

Lori Harding's story-

https://julieroys.com/podcast/survivor-claims-spiritual-abuse-at-coral-ridge-presbyterian-part-1/

https://julieroys.com/podcast/survivor-claims-spiritual-abuse-at-coral-ridge-presbyterian-part-2/

Lori Adams-Brown story-

https://julieroys.com/alleged-victims-challenge-report-clearing-rick-warren-successor-abuse/

https://julieroys.com/former-staffers-expose-bullying-rick-warren-successor-andy-wood/

Related Episodes:

https://untangledfaithpodcast.com/2021/12/15/26-what-about-bob-an-interview-with-religion-journalist-bob-smietana/

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Host/Creator: Amy Fritz

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Michele Pjanic

Phil and Susan Perdue

Pam Forsythe

Chelle Taylor

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70: Whistleblowing On The Record: Lori Harding & Lori Adams-Brown’s Experience

Untangled Faith

02/15/23 • 30 min

What happened when Lori Adams-Brown and Lori Harding courageously revealed the truth about abuse of power in the church?

Lori Adams-Brown shares more about speaking on the record with Julie Roys about her experience with Pastor Andy Wood, successor to Rick Warren at Saddleback Church.

Lori Harding shares about speaking on the record with Julie Roys about her experience with Coral Ridge Presbyterian Church. "We do what we can with what we know, and that is a courageous act of faith." -Lori Adams-Brown Lori Adams-Brown and Lori Harding are two courageous women who have gone on the record with a journalist to share their experiences with abusive and unhealthy leaders in the church. They both have a deep love for Jesus and a desire to bring justice and healing to those who have been hurt. Lori Adams-Brown and Lori Harding found the courage to speak out despite the personal risk. In this episode, you will learn the following: 1. What was it like to wait for their stories to be shared? 2. What they would have done differently. 3. Advice to those considering speaking out.

Links:

Lori Harding's story-

https://julieroys.com/podcast/survivor-claims-spiritual-abuse-at-coral-ridge-presbyterian-part-1/

https://julieroys.com/podcast/survivor-claims-spiritual-abuse-at-coral-ridge-presbyterian-part-2/

Lori Adams-Brown story-

https://julieroys.com/alleged-victims-challenge-report-clearing-rick-warren-successor-abuse/

https://julieroys.com/former-staffers-expose-bullying-rick-warren-successor-andy-wood/

Related Episodes:

https://untangledfaithpodcast.com/2023/02/08/69going-on-the-record-with-lori-adams-brown-lori-harding-trust-trauma-telling-your-story/

https://untangledfaithpodcast.com/2021/12/15/26-what-about-bob-an-interview-with-religion-journalist-bob-smietana/

Support the show:

Subscribe to my newsletter: https://untangledfaith.substack.com

Join us on Patreon: https://patreon.com/untangledfaith

This podcast is sponsored by Faithful Counseling. For more information and for 10% off your first month, visit Faithful Counseling- https://faithfulcounseling.com/untangled

Where you can find me:

Youtube channel- https://youtube.com/channel/UCPfFk-I6QShXXvEpSFaJOvg

https://untangledfaithpodcast.com

https://instagram.com/untangledfaith

https://instagram.com/amyhenningfritz

https://twitter.com/faithuntangled

https://twitter.com/amyfritz

Host/Creator: Amy Fritz

Producers:

Michele Pjanic

Phil and Susan Perdue

Pam Forsythe

Chelle Taylor

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123: Year in Review: Favorite Reads, Podcast Moments, and Insights from 2024

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12/31/24 • 16 min

Amy Fritz reflects on lessons learned in 2024, favorite books, and what's coming next.

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Episode Highlights

Most downloaded episode of 2024:
The episode where Amy re-recorded her part of the conversation by herself
Favorite Books
Lessons Learned
What's Next!

Resources mentioned

This podcast is sponsored by Faithful Counseling. For more information and 10% off your first month, visit Faithful Counseling- https://faithfulcounseling.com/untangled
Episode 111: How to Know Who to Trust in the Religion World
Episode 113 with Chuck DeGroat
Othered by Jenai Auman https://amzn.to/40gPCsU
Lessons From the COVID War https://amzn.to/49Z22ZM
My, Myself and Bob https://amzn.to/4a0okdM
Final Accounting https://amzn.to/4gCsieY
You Could Make This Place Beautiful https://amzn.to/4gxnec3
The Next Right Thing Guided Journal https://amzn.to/4iYPKow

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10: Being a Good Friend When One of you Limps Away from a Faith Community & One Stays

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07/14/21 • 36 min

Miranda Kokes joins Amy for a frank conversation about how they hung on to their friendship when Amy limped away from the church they attended together and Miranda stayed. How can you be a good friend when you're in two different spaces? What do you do when you are still in a community you love, but that place has caused pain for your friend? Find us here: Twitter: Amy Fritz Untangled Faith

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44: A Candid Conversation About Abortion & Our Concerns with the Pro-Life Movement.

Untangled Faith

06/25/22 • 46 min

This episode was initially recorded in May 2022 shortly after the leak about a possible decision on Roe v. Wade from the Supreme Court in the US. There was a lot of chatter and I wanted to have a conversation with Emily Snook for my Patreon Community.

In light of the official decision announced today, June 24, 2022, I wanted to share this with everyone and Emily agreed.

So, if it sounds like we didn't know for sure what would happen with the Supreme Court, it's because we recorded this before the decision was announced.

Links:

Holy Post Episode 504

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46: When Narcissism Comes to Church. Guest: Chuck DeGroat

Untangled Faith

07/13/22 • 46 min

Author, licensed therapist, spiritual director, and speaker Chuck DeGroat joins Amy Fritz on the Untangled Faith Podcast.

Chuck DeGroat is the author of the book When Narcissism Comes to Church which came out in 2020. The paperback edition releases soon making this a perfect time for a conversation with him on the podcast.

Amy and Chuck talk about all things narcissism including the many faces of narcissism in faith communities, what systemic narcissism looks like, and what to do when you hear reports that a leader you admire has hurt someone. How do you know what is true?

Time stamps:

[00:03:13] Amy’s experience on the launch team for Chuck’s book, When Narcissism Comes to Church.

[00:04:48] What is narcissism?

[00:06:53] Systemic narcissism

[00:11:58] Do our church systems attract narcissistic leaders?

[00:17:21] How does Chuck deal with resistance from pastors to seeing their own unhealth?

[00:18:40] Suggestions for those who want to build healthy faith communities

[00:24:50] Different ways narcissism presents itself.

[00:28:13] What if someone tells me they have had painful experiences with a pastor who is kind to me?

[00:31:40] Encouragement to leaders to be proactive in regard to their church culture health.

[00:37:05] False vulnerability and performative vulnerability.

00:43:26] In a complex situation, how do you differentiate between who is the victim and who is the abuser?

Resources:

When Narcissism Comes to Church

GRACE

Narcissism and the System it Breeds by Dr. Diane Langberg

Redeeming Power

A Church Called Tov

Something’s Not Right

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Untangled Faith: 38: Misunderstood: Are We “Dogging” on the Church? Guests: Jenai Auman and Mary DeMuth on Apple Podcasts

40: What’s the Research Telling Us About Church Trends? Guest: Glenn Packiam

Untangled Faith

04/20/22 • 48 min

For over 30 years, The Barna Group has conducted research in the area of faith, culture, leadership and vocation. In 2020 they conducted a new study and collaborated with Glenn Packiam to author a book that shared their recent research results in a way that helped pastors grapple with how to pastor in this rapidly changing culture. The result was The Resilient Pastor: Leading Your Church in a Rapidly Changing World. In this episode Amy chat with author, Glenn Packiam about what he learned through this study and what it means for church health and ministry going forward.

{00:02:13} Who is Glenn Packiam and what is his ministry background?

{00:05:59} Is the current model of pastor sustainable?

{00:10:40} A visit with Eugene Peterson

{00:13:17} The pastor credibility problem

{00:21:15} How Glenn came to be an ordained Anglican preach at a nondenominational church

{00:27:16} How do we measure discipleship?

{00:31:26} Is "Becoming more Christlike" the same as "Learning to live a more consistent Christian life"?

{00:33:43} Pluralism, Paganism, and Individualism

{00:39:35} Jesus walks with the disciples on the road to Emmaus.

Links/Resources

Willow Creek's troubles can be found in its word cloud (religionnews.com)

Barna

The Resilient Pastor Initiative

The Pastor in a Secular Age book

Under the Unpredictable Plant

What If Jesus Was Serious?

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53: I Miss The Before-Times Me

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08/24/22 • 11 min

Amy Fritz shares about what it feels like when you no longer fit or find welcome in a place that used to be a refuge and what it's like to reckon with recognizing who we are now when it still feels awkward and uncomfortable.

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Coming Soon: Season 4 of Untangled Faith

Untangled Faith

02/03/22 • 6 min

I've been doing a deep dive on all things grief. This makes me super fun at parties. This season, I hope to walk us through the stages of grief. These are stages that are squishy. They bleed into each other. We don't process grief in a way that allows us to check off boxes finishing one stage and moving on to the next. And many of us are dealing with several losses simultaneously. Loss of faith community. Loss of relationships. Loss of a dream you had that died. Whatever the loss, it's worth honoring by taking a moment to pay attention. Join me for the upcoming season Untangled Faith where we tackle the topic of grief. Coming February 9th. Support the show (https://buymeacoffee.com/untangledfaith)

45: For the Ones Who Wonder If There Really is a Good Shepherd. Guest: KJ Ramsey

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07/06/22 • 49 min

Author KJ Ramsey joins Amy Fritz to talk about KJ’s new book The Lord Is My Courage: Stepping Through the Shadows of Fear Toward the Voice of Love.

This is for you if you’ve ever struggled with knowing what to share and when to share your experience of spiritual abuse. This is for you if you’ve walked through the valley and wondered if the Good Shepherd was actually “good” because your own experience with those supposed to be shepherds left you hurting.

KJ Ramsey is one of the kindest and most insightful voices I listen to in regard to spiritual abuse. I can’t wait for you to listen.

Time stamps:

[00:02:58] What’s it like to have Ryan (KJ’s husband) becoming more known as he shares his voice with the world?

[00:05:43] The writing process and working out your thoughts in public.

[00:10:12] How do you decide what to share and when to share it?

[00:17:00] How raw should we be when sharing our stories?

[00:19:50] Aren’t we just airing dirty laundry?

[00:21:25] We don’t have to so tightly guard this thing that Christ has promised will prevail.

[00:25:20] Using Psalm 23 as the scaffolding of The Lord is My Courage.

[00:34:15] Where are the shepherds?

[00:35:50] Goodness and love are hounding us.

[00:38:30] Feeling less of a concern to gatekeep about getting everything right.

Resources:

The Lord Is My Courage: Stepping Through the Shadows of Fear Toward the Voice of Love

This Too Shall Last: Finding Grace When Suffering Lingers

Narcissism and the System it Breeds by Dr. Diane Langberg

This podcast is sponsored by Faithful Counseling. For more information and for 10% off your first month, visit Faithful Counseling here.

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7: Pastoring People Who Have Experienced Church Hurt. Guest: Ryan Ramsey

27: Ryan Ramsey- A message for people who have lost their faith community & for those who care about them.

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