
FS105: Brogan Austin
12/05/18 • 48 min
When people were projecting the winners of the Californian International Marathon, which served this year as the USATF Marathon Championship Race, Brogan Austin was not the most mentioned name. Not even close. After his win the message boards lit up, who is this guy, he must be a doper. Turns out he is not a doper but another Tom 'Tinman' Schwartz trained athlete who has been working hard for his moment. And we caught up with him to talk about his win.
Background
- Dad ran to lose weight and would run with him as young as 5 years old
- 1-mile route would run and kept running
- Tried football in 7-8th grade and was too small
- Made varsity as Freshman in high school and progressed from there
- Senior year took on another coach and went from 30 to 70 miles a week
- Ran at Drake but overtrained by working more on side
- After college ran but cut way back
Tinman connection
- Saw success the Tinmen Elite crew were having and wanted to start working with Tom
- Started working with Tom in July 2018
- Tom proved you don't need to outwork everyone
- An approach of one day at a time and keeping the ball rolling
- All workouts are reasonable, feel you could do more at end of a workout
- Questioned if it was too easy
- Never once did we do marathon pace specific running
Training
- Used to do 3 staple workouts, 6-8 mile tempo a 5:00, mile repeats at half marathon pace, 800 repeats at 5k pace. Was only done one of those a week and Saturday long run as a progression
- Ran 12 miles almost every day
- Tom had mix workouts, one we did every 2-3 weeks with 10k pace, then hills, then 800-1600 pace
- Noticed each time did that workout felt progress
- Ran 62:39 in half marathon and knew he was fit
- Workouts are easy to recover from
Expectations Going In
- Had expectations that could win
- 1/2 marathon gave me confidence
- Tinman said could win it
- Consistently doing 90 miles a week with a few longer weeks here and there
- Longest runs 2:20 minutes
- No marathon pace work had me worried, but Tom said at 21-miles you will be stronger than everyone
- Never had a workout could not do because was fatigued
Race
- When Matt Llano opened the lead had to force himself to not go with him, plan was to go 66
- Mid-race started doubting training
- After mile 20 was told Matt was 2 miles ahead so focused on the pack for second
- With 5k to go tried to make move and was surprised legs responded even though tired
- Started reeling in Matt, could see lead vehicles
- Caught him with 500m to go and surged past making strong move
Final Surge 5 questions in under a minute
Favorite endurance/running book? - Born to Run Current trainers you are wearing? - Nike Air Pegasus Favorite race? - Drake Relays Favorite recovery meal or recovery drink? - Buritto Your favorite workout - Long Run
Previous interview with Tinman Brogan's sponsor Rabbit Instagram: @brogan.austin Facebook: Brogan Austin Twitter: @brogan_austin
When people were projecting the winners of the Californian International Marathon, which served this year as the USATF Marathon Championship Race, Brogan Austin was not the most mentioned name. Not even close. After his win the message boards lit up, who is this guy, he must be a doper. Turns out he is not a doper but another Tom 'Tinman' Schwartz trained athlete who has been working hard for his moment. And we caught up with him to talk about his win.
Background
- Dad ran to lose weight and would run with him as young as 5 years old
- 1-mile route would run and kept running
- Tried football in 7-8th grade and was too small
- Made varsity as Freshman in high school and progressed from there
- Senior year took on another coach and went from 30 to 70 miles a week
- Ran at Drake but overtrained by working more on side
- After college ran but cut way back
Tinman connection
- Saw success the Tinmen Elite crew were having and wanted to start working with Tom
- Started working with Tom in July 2018
- Tom proved you don't need to outwork everyone
- An approach of one day at a time and keeping the ball rolling
- All workouts are reasonable, feel you could do more at end of a workout
- Questioned if it was too easy
- Never once did we do marathon pace specific running
Training
- Used to do 3 staple workouts, 6-8 mile tempo a 5:00, mile repeats at half marathon pace, 800 repeats at 5k pace. Was only done one of those a week and Saturday long run as a progression
- Ran 12 miles almost every day
- Tom had mix workouts, one we did every 2-3 weeks with 10k pace, then hills, then 800-1600 pace
- Noticed each time did that workout felt progress
- Ran 62:39 in half marathon and knew he was fit
- Workouts are easy to recover from
Expectations Going In
- Had expectations that could win
- 1/2 marathon gave me confidence
- Tinman said could win it
- Consistently doing 90 miles a week with a few longer weeks here and there
- Longest runs 2:20 minutes
- No marathon pace work had me worried, but Tom said at 21-miles you will be stronger than everyone
- Never had a workout could not do because was fatigued
Race
- When Matt Llano opened the lead had to force himself to not go with him, plan was to go 66
- Mid-race started doubting training
- After mile 20 was told Matt was 2 miles ahead so focused on the pack for second
- With 5k to go tried to make move and was surprised legs responded even though tired
- Started reeling in Matt, could see lead vehicles
- Caught him with 500m to go and surged past making strong move
Final Surge 5 questions in under a minute
Favorite endurance/running book? - Born to Run Current trainers you are wearing? - Nike Air Pegasus Favorite race? - Drake Relays Favorite recovery meal or recovery drink? - Buritto Your favorite workout - Long Run
Previous interview with Tinman Brogan's sponsor Rabbit Instagram: @brogan.austin Facebook: Brogan Austin Twitter: @brogan_austin
Previous Episode

FS104: Jordan Gusman
Jordan Gusman is the latest member of the Tinman Elite training group and on Episode 104 we catch up with him in Colorado before he heads home to Austrillia to race in their 10k National Champs. We get to know about youth running down under and how his training has changes since joining the team.
Background
- Kind growing up had bad asthma
- Moved to countryside for health
- Played variety of sports
- Liked soccer running was better option
- 14-15 got serious about running
- After high school junior's
Was breaking 4-minute mile as big of a thing in Australia?
- Great story about how he broke 4-minutes for the first time
What about a time you underperformed?
- Tend to get sick a lot
- Overthink it before major meets
Relationship with Tinman Elite
- Last month been here in Colorado training with them
- Heading home to Austrillia for a few races and Christmas and will decide if train here or home
- We run together twice a day almost every day makes it fun
- Good mix of guys keep it fun
What have you learned from Tom since joined team?
- Unlike anything I have done before
- Every workout seems to have a mix of all systems
- Still learning how to train
- CV- Pace can hold for 30 minutes, longest rep is about a mile
- Don't workout a goal pace, but pace can run today
- Volume is down too
- A lot of qualiy in the less miles
Favorite endurance/running book? – Perfect Mile Current trainers you are wearing? – Adidas Solar Glide Favorite race? – 5k Favorite recovery meal or recovery drink? – Peanut butter toast and coffee Your favorite workout – Mile Reps
Resources
Previous Podcast with Tom Tinman Schwartz Previous Podcast with Sam Parsons
Jordan on Instagram Jordan on Twitter
Stanley the dog Instagram Tinman Group on Twitter Tinman Group on Instagram Tinman Website
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Matthew Sakiestewa Gilbert
The Hopi Indians have a long history and relationship with running. We talk to Professor Matthew Sakiestewa Gilbert the Director of American Indian Studies and Professor of History at the University of Illinois. Matthew was involved in the making of the movie Beyond the Mesas and has a book called Hopi Runners: Crossing the terrain between the Indians and the Americans.
Background
- Grew up in Flagstaff Arizona
- Part of the Hopi Indian tribe
- Did Phd research on Hopi tribe
- Professor of Indian Studies and History
Hopi high school boys had won 27-state titles in a row and first or second the last 29 years in a row.
Success is telling of their long history of Hopi running
Hopi History
- How long do we run, to the fence and back
- Distance runners in western perspective is distance/time Hopi running was going out and coming back
- Running is the Hopi trustworthy mode of transportation
- Family members pass down the tradition of running and spiritual aspect
Hopi Runners Book Beyond The Mesas Blog Beyond The Mesas Twitter Hopi ESPN Segment
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