216. Jesse's Perspective on IBLP
06/27/23 • 33 min
You may recall from a couple of episodes ago our conversation in which we shared our thoughts on the Shiny Happy People docu-series. That episode was very unplanned and off-the-cuff, so we thought that we would do a follow-up episode because we got a lot of feedback wishing that they had heard more from Jesse.
I am therefore doing my best to let Jesse lead this conversation so that you can hear more of his perspective surrounding the docu-series. Jesse shares how even though he wasn’t directly in the IBLP/ATI program, his church was heavily influenced by it, so listen in as Jesse shares details of his own experience.
He shares what ideals his church had and when he started to question those ideals and move away from legalism. We are so grateful for the lessons that we have learned and how we went into marriage on the same page, and we hope that you get a lot out of Jesse’s words in this episode!
In This Episode
[00:35] - This is a follow-up episode to the Shiny Happy People episode!
[03:33] - Jesse shares some of his own experience with IBLP/ATI.
[05:10] - What did it mean to get anointed?
[07:04] - We got in trouble for holding hands under a workbook.
[08:16] - How did IBLP/ATI influence Jesse?
[09:54] - Jesse reveals whether or not he was ever bothered by the ideals.
[11:49] - When did Jesse start questioning things?
[14:22] - How fully immersed was Jesse?
[15:58] - Jesse was in college or so when he got out of legalism.
[18:42] - I reflect back on the move from Kansas to Tennessee.
[22:00] - Jesse’s chains of legalism weren’t as strong as mine.
[23:45] - We went into marriage as a unit on the same page.
[26:36] - Jesse offers his definition of legalism.
[28:56] - Formulas led to frustration in our marriage.
[30:53] - God did not create us to be carbon copies of everyone else.
Links & Resources
Shiny Happy People: Duggar Family Secrets on Amazon Prime
The Crystal Paine Show - “214. Shiny Happy People: Our Honest Thoughts”
Books
Social Media
Money Saving Mom Deal Seekers Facebook group
Our Sponsors:
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You may recall from a couple of episodes ago our conversation in which we shared our thoughts on the Shiny Happy People docu-series. That episode was very unplanned and off-the-cuff, so we thought that we would do a follow-up episode because we got a lot of feedback wishing that they had heard more from Jesse.
I am therefore doing my best to let Jesse lead this conversation so that you can hear more of his perspective surrounding the docu-series. Jesse shares how even though he wasn’t directly in the IBLP/ATI program, his church was heavily influenced by it, so listen in as Jesse shares details of his own experience.
He shares what ideals his church had and when he started to question those ideals and move away from legalism. We are so grateful for the lessons that we have learned and how we went into marriage on the same page, and we hope that you get a lot out of Jesse’s words in this episode!
In This Episode
[00:35] - This is a follow-up episode to the Shiny Happy People episode!
[03:33] - Jesse shares some of his own experience with IBLP/ATI.
[05:10] - What did it mean to get anointed?
[07:04] - We got in trouble for holding hands under a workbook.
[08:16] - How did IBLP/ATI influence Jesse?
[09:54] - Jesse reveals whether or not he was ever bothered by the ideals.
[11:49] - When did Jesse start questioning things?
[14:22] - How fully immersed was Jesse?
[15:58] - Jesse was in college or so when he got out of legalism.
[18:42] - I reflect back on the move from Kansas to Tennessee.
[22:00] - Jesse’s chains of legalism weren’t as strong as mine.
[23:45] - We went into marriage as a unit on the same page.
[26:36] - Jesse offers his definition of legalism.
[28:56] - Formulas led to frustration in our marriage.
[30:53] - God did not create us to be carbon copies of everyone else.
Links & Resources
Shiny Happy People: Duggar Family Secrets on Amazon Prime
The Crystal Paine Show - “214. Shiny Happy People: Our Honest Thoughts”
Books
Social Media
Money Saving Mom Deal Seekers Facebook group
Our Sponsors:
* Check out Armoire and use my code CRYSTAL for a great deal: https://www.armoire.style
* Check out IXL and use my code TODAY for a great deal: https://www.ixl.com
* Check out Seed : https://seed.com/CRYSTAL
Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands
Previous Episode
215. Hope and Healing from Church Hurt & Disappointment (with Natalie Runion)
I am so excited to have Natalie Runion on the podcast this week, and this couldn’t have possibly happened at a better time! In the last episode, Jesse and I shared our thoughts about the docu-series Shiny Happy People: Duggar Family Secrets, and a lot of you reached out to me to say that you have struggled to know how to feel about church because of difficult experiences you have had. Natalie is here to discuss what to do and how to process through church hurt and disappointment, something she has experienced deeply herself.
Natalie has a new book coming out titled Raised to Stay: Persevering in Ministry When You Have a Million Reasons to Walk Away. In this podcast, she shares her story of how she was hurt by the church when she was younger and how she processed through that hurt and disappointment and ended up saying yes to something she never expected she would: be involved in church ministry!
This episode is packed with wisdom and encouragement (Jesse listened to it and said it's one you need to listen to more than once!). Whether you have experienced church hurt and are still walking through it and processing it, whether you've been disappointed by church and are avoiding it altogether, or whether you are just curious about Natalie's story, I believe you'll be very blessed by listening.
In This Episode
[00:35] - This episode could not have been planned more beautifully -- and I didn't plan it!
[02:08] - Natalie shares a little background on herself and her own story with church hurt.
[05:57] - How did Natalie hold onto God?
[07:25] - Natalie explains her initial responses to this hard situation.
[09:22] - I ask Natalie how she learned to trust again after being so hurt.
[10:50] - When did Natalie return to church?
[14:38] - What do we do if we have been hurt by church?
[16:58] - How do we avoid being the cause of church hurt?
[19:25] - Is there a difference between hurt and offense?
[23:54] - Natalie offers encouragement, telling us that we are not alone.
[26:10] - Abusers do not represent the heart of God.
Links & Resources
- Crystal Paine
- Natalie Runion
- Shiny Happy People: Duggar Family Secrets on Amazon Prime
- Last week's podcast: Our Honest Thoughts on Shiny Happy People
- Books
- Raised to Stay: Persevering in Ministry When You Have a Million Reasons to Walk Away by Natalie Runion
- Love-Centered Parenting: The No-Fail Guide to Launching Your Kids by Crystal Paine
- 10 Days to Be a Happier Mom
- Sign up for the Hot Deals Email List
- MoneySavingMom.com
- My Instagram account (I’d love for you to follow me there! I usually hop on at least a few times per day and share behind-the-scenes photos and videos, my grocery store hauls, funny stories, or just anything I’m pondering or would like your advice or feedback on!)
- Have feedback on the show or suggestions for future episodes or topics? Send me an email: crystal @ moneysavingmom.com
Our Sponsors:
* Check out Armoire and use my code CRYSTAL for a great deal: https://www.armoire.style
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* Check out Seed : https://seed.com/CRYSTAL
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Next Episode
217. How to Identify & Occupy Your God-Given Space (with Heather MacFadyen)
Heather MacFadyen and I have both been blogging for a long time, but our paths took very different directions online. And that's exactly what this conversation is about! Heather is a well-known podcaster and author of the book, Right Where You Belong: How to Identify and Fully Occupy Your God-Given Space.
In this podcast episode, Heather shares about her journey and how she set out to write a book years ago and ended up getting rejections that led her to podcast instead -- something that has opened more doors and made more impact than she could have ever dreamed.
If you struggle to know what your space is to fill, if you ever wonder if you were made for more, or if you have a longing in your heart to step out in faith but fear is holding you back, I believe this podcast episode will encourage your heart so much!
In This Episode
[00:35] – I have been reading Right Where You Belong written by today’s guest!
[03:24] – Heather explains why she pivoted to podcasting instead of pursuing her book-writing dream.
[06:04] – Writing and publishing a book is not easy.
[09:37] – Heather realized that it wasn’t yet her time to publish the book.
[13:36] – Learn what inspired the title of the book.
[15:48] – Heather identifies her target reader.
[18:12] – How we can use both our positive and negative experiences to help others.
[19:45] – Listening to God helps Heather find clarity.
[21:37] – An example of how Heather puts listening to God into practice.
[24:30] – What are you carrying that you don’t need to be carrying?
[27:31] – Hear what we should do instead of blaming God for our difficulties.
[33:08] – God does not want us to be broken and trapped.
Links & Resources
- Heather MacFadyen
- Don't Mom Alone podcast
- Right Where You Belong: How to Identify and Fully Occupy Your God-Given Space by Heather MacFadyen
- Love-Centered Parenting: The No-Fail Guide to Launching Your Kids by Crystal Paine
- 10 Days to Be a Happier Mom
- Sign up for the Hot Deals Email List
- MoneySavingMom.com
- My Instagram account (I’d love for you to follow me there! I usually hop on at least a few times per day and share behind-the-scenes photos and videos, my grocery store hauls, funny stories, or just anything I’m pondering or would like your advice or feedback on!)
- Have feedback on the show or suggestions for future episodes or topics? Send me an email: crystal @ moneysavingmom.com
Our Sponsors:
* Check out Armoire and use my code CRYSTAL for a great deal: https://www.armoire.style
* Check out IXL and use my code TODAY for a great deal: https://www.ixl.com
* Check out Seed : https://seed.com/CRYSTAL
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