
All the Way to Heaven is Heaven
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06/12/24 • 43 min
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Most of us are socialized to believe that if we suffer enough, we’ll be rewarded later—and the reward for our suffering will be happiness. In other words, happiness is something we must earn through suffering.
In this episode of Bewildered, Martha and Ro challenge this cultural belief, inspired by the words of 14th century mystic St. Catherine of Siena who said, “All the way to heaven is heaven.”
To hear more about this idea—and how you can experience happiness right now—don't miss the full episode!
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Most of us are socialized to believe that if we suffer enough, we’ll be rewarded later—and the reward for our suffering will be happiness. In other words, happiness is something we must earn through suffering.
In this episode of Bewildered, Martha and Ro challenge this cultural belief, inspired by the words of 14th century mystic St. Catherine of Siena who said, “All the way to heaven is heaven.”
To hear more about this idea—and how you can experience happiness right now—don't miss the full episode!
CONNECT WITH US
- Follow Martha on Instagram
- The Bewildered Show Notes
- Follow Ro on Instagram
- Follow Bewildered on Instagram
See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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"Dream Food" And Other Lies About Fulfillment
Culture teaches us that scrambling up peaks of achievement is a worthy goal—and that when we reach the pinnacle of success, we'll finally be happy.
The problem is, not everyone can reach the very top. And even for those who do, achieving that goal doesn't make them happy.
Wondering how this could be? Martha and Ro offer a theory: We're climbing the wrong mountain!
Join them for this fun episode as they break down the cultural myths surrounding success and fulfillment and point you toward true happiness.
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Do you ever feel like you’re trying to fit even more stuff into a life that’s already full?
In this episode of Bewildered, Martha and Ro are talking about our culture's obsession with more, more, more, and how it's making us overwhelmed, exhausted, and burnt out.
Their solution? Empty space!
Our culture doesn't train us to appreciate empty spaces, but emptiness is what gives things value. To hear how to shift your focus so you can start noticing and using the empty spaces in your life, be sure to tune in!
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