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Rodney Evans and Sam Spurlin

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23. Adopting a Product Mindset in Organizations
At Work with The Ready
11/11/24 • 46 min
There are plenty of organizations that say they want to be “customer-focused”—but in practice? It’s easy to fall back on leader-driven opinions and assumptions about what customers really want. That’s especially true in big companies with entrenched processes and hierarchies that prioritize internal agendas. In those environments, staying aligned with customer needs can be an uphill battle—and organizations instead get stuck building solutions based on what leaders think customers should want, rather than what they need, leaving exciting opportunities on the cutting room floor.
In this episode, Rodney and Sam dig into what it actually takes to adopt a product mindset. From navigating a “hammer looking for nails” ethos to designing flexible solutions that adapt to actual user behavior, they unpack how to bring customer-centricity into daily practice—and what to do when you start to veer off course.
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Mentioned references:
- Depthfinding
- psych safety ep: AWWTR Ep. 20
- experimentation ep: BNW Ep. 62
- founder mode ep: AWWTR Ep. 22
- Josh Bersin ep: The Future of HR Ep. 12 with Josh Bersin
- revealed preference

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24. Ask Us Anything No. 3
At Work with The Ready
11/25/24 • 47 min
It’s mailbag time! And while we know we said this last time, we really mean it that this was probably the hardest group of questions we’ve dealt with on the show yet! Rodney and Sam get out their thinking caps and answer some questions from listeners like you about non-traditional organizational leadership, workplace dynamics around project capacity planning, and more.
Questions tackled:
- Are great teams and strategies impossible without traditional leadership?
- Can project capacity planning be done in a people-positive, complexity conscious way?
- Why do traditional orgs bias towards convergent thinking, especially around annual planning?
- How do you prioritize cross-functional initiatives between leadership and teams that avoids zombie projects and mutual disappointment?
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Mentioned references:
- the LinkedIn post asked about
- Rube Goldberg machine
- "MBT" (mission-based team): FoHR Miniseries Ep. 1
- "DAO": BNW Ep. 96 with Chase Chapman
- "product mindset episode": AWWTR Ep. 23

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25. 1M Downloads and Counting: Looking Back on 2024
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12/23/24 • 34 min
2024 felt like a bit of a rollercoaster—and while we’re ready to close the book on this year, we wouldn’t be first-class org designers if we passed up the chance to hold a retrospective. Add in the fact that this is Rodney’s 200th episode and BNW + AWWTR have crossed the one million download milestone, and a little celebration feels like the right thing.
In today’s episode, Rodney and Sam reflect on the show’s 2024 season—including the episodes they loved, the episodes they want a do-over on, and what they hope for the show in 2025.
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Mentioned references:
- The Future of HR Miniseries
- The Ready's OS Canvas
- RACI episode: AWWTR Ep. 10
- Leaders as org designers episode: AWWTR Ep. 13
- "McGillicuddy"
- All the small things episode: AWWTR Ep. 19
- "video about the woman who doesn't use a calendar"
- Jason Fox episode: AWWTR Ep. 17 with Jason Fox
- Dual Transformation, book from 2017

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Depthfinding: Solve Your Cross-Functional Problems…Finally!
At Work with The Ready
01/13/25 • 36 min
Over the last decade at The Ready, we’ve seen firsthand that the most significant organizational challenges are nearly all cross-functional. But most company structures? Very much not cross-functional. Adding more project managers, looking to external partners for one-and-done silver bullets, or assembling yet another task force just isn’t cutting it as the world changes faster than most organizations can keep up.
Enter Depthfinding—an easy-to-grasp framework designed to help leaders and teams solve their gnarliest cross-functional challenges. In our new Depthfinding miniseries, Rodney and Sam will help you see your organization in a new way whether you’re individual contributor or a C-Suite executive. Ready? Let’s dive in.
Download the Depthfinding guide to get the template and example Rodney mentioned in this episode.
Want to learn more about Depthfinding? Head here: theready.com/depthfinding
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Mentioned references:
- The Ready's OS Canvas
- strategy pancakes: AWWTR Ep. 2
- even/overs: BNW Ep. 44
- essential intent: BNW Ep. 90 with Greg McKeown
- check-in round
This episode's theme music is Yaggadang by BG & Coyote Radio.
Sound engineering and design by Taylor Marvin of Coupe Studios.

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Depthfinding: Sunshine Zone - Artifacts, Org Charts, and Metrics
At Work with The Ready
02/10/25 • 48 min
In this miniseries, we’re exploring Depthfinding—an easy-to-grasp framework designed to help leaders and teams solve their gnarliest cross-functional challenges.
This week, Rodney and Sam dive into the Sunshine Zone—the highly visible work of organizations, from strategy decks and OKRs to mission statements and financial targets. While these elements are easy to track and refine, spending too much time in the Sunshine Zone often leads to performative goal setting, misaligned priorities, and a disconnect from the deeper work that actually drives change.
Leaders who want real progress—not just a well-polished plan—need to balance the visible with the essential. Cultivating adaptability, feedback loops, and space for creative, cross-functional work is the key to moving beyond surface-level success.
Download the Depthfinding guide to get the template and examples of how to use it.
Want to learn more about Depthfinding? Head here: theready.com/depthfinding
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Mentioned references:
- EBITDA
- ACT Matrix
- "womperjawed"
- "90% of executives failing to reach strategic goals"
- operating rhythm: BNW Ep. 118
- Deming quote
- "Bach suite"
- SMART goals
This episode's theme music is Yaggadang by BG & Coyote Radio.
Sound engineering and design by Taylor Marvin of Coupe Studios.

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Depthfinding: Sky - Threats and Opportunities
At Work with The Ready
01/27/25 • 50 min
In this miniseries, we’re exploring Depthfinding—an easy-to-grasp framework designed to help leaders and teams solve their gnarliest cross-functional challenges.
This week, Rodney and Sam look at the Sky—the external forces like market shifts, technological disruptions, and political changes that shape your organization. While most companies are comfortable staying heads-down in the day-to-day, failing to look outward creates costly blind spots that lead to org debt, misaligned strategy, and even existential risk.
Cultivating a regular practice of looking up and outward is the key to successfully meeting this moment—and all the ones to come.
Download the Depthfinding guide to get the template and examples of how to use it.
Want to learn more about Depthfinding? Head here: theready.com/depthfinding
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Mentioned references:
- lido deck
- Deep River potato chips
- the giant Snickers
- "building the bridge to the next thing" - dual transformation
- Kodak's digital revolution moment
- the Information age
- "op rhythm": BNW Ep. 118
- "Liberating Structures": BNW Ep. 49 with Keith McCandless
- Critical Uncertainties
- red team
- "essential intent": BNW Ep. 90 with Greg McKeown
This episode's theme music is Yaggadang by BG & Coyote Radio.
Sound engineering and design by Taylor Marvin of Coupe Studios.

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Depthfinding: From Leadership to Stewardship
At Work with The Ready
04/21/25 • 45 min
In this miniseries, we’re exploring Depthfinding—an easy-to-grasp framework designed to help leaders and teams solve their gnarliest cross-functional challenges.
This week, Rodney and Sam dive into one of the most pivotal (and misunderstood) aspects of the framework: stewardship. Depthfinding is built on the idea that organizations are like oceans, not aquariums. That means leaders have to show up in an entirely new way—not as a boss, a hero, or a disciplinarian, but as someone responsible for the ongoing health of a complex system.
Embracing stewardship can be an uphill battle thanks to the ghosts of leadership past and the inner work required to show up well in complexity. But when facing down uncertainty, building the conditions for resilience and learning to steward across each Depthfinding zone offers a new way forward.
Get the PDF Rodney and Sam talk about in this episode
Download the Depthfinding guide to get the template and examples of how to use it.
Want to learn more about Depthfinding? Head here: theready.com/depthfinding
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Mentioned references:
- "Intelligence vs information age"
- Jack Welch
- Model T assembly line efficiency gains
- Henry Ford quote about hands: The Future of Management, by Gary Hamel
- connection between Gantt chart and slavery
- Frederick Winslow Taylor
- MRI study about how power impacts your brain
- Employee Owned Trust (EOT)
00:00 Intro + Check-In: What is an underrated condiment?
03:46 Stewardship is how to put Depthfinding into action
08:32 Leadership ghosts of the industrial age: Henry Ford and the org chart
15:10 Leadership ghosts of the information age: Jack Welch and cult of personality
20:11 De-centering leaders and re-centering the organization for the future
23:50 Stewardship in the Midnight Zone playbook
28:13 Leaders modeling Midnight Zone moves is critical
30:29 Stewardship in the Twilight Zone playbook
35:46 Stewardship in the Sunshine Zone playbook
38:13 Stewardship in the Sky playbook
43:40 Wrap up: Leave us a review and share this episode with your colleagues!
This episode's theme music is Yaggadang by BG & Coyote Radio.
Sound engineering and design by Taylor Marvin of Coupe Studios.

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Depthfinding: Twilight Zone - Where Work Happens
At Work with The Ready
02/24/25 • 48 min
In this miniseries, we’re exploring Depthfinding—an easy-to-grasp framework designed to help leaders and teams solve their gnarliest cross-functional challenges.
This week, Rodney and Sam step into the Twilight Zone—the often-overlooked but deeply influential space where teams navigate the “how” of work—the “how” of collaborating, meeting, deciding, and experimenting. Many organizations put all or most of their focus on visible outputs and assets, but the rubber meets the road in the Twilight Zone. It’s the organizational depth where strategy actually gets executed—which means it’s worthy of more than a passing glance.
When an important initiative stalls out, when teams side-eye change, when a leadership team’s decisions never translate into clear and meaningful action, it’s time to investigate the Twilight Zone. Leaders who want real progress—not just compliance—must foster cross-functional collaboration and create space for meaningful iteration. Because strategy isn’t about what’s declared. It’s about what actually happens.
Download the Depthfinding guide to get the template and examples of how to use it.
Want to learn more about Depthfinding? Head here: theready.com/depthfinding
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Mentioned references:
- Twilight Zone, tv show
- layers of the ocean
- sea anemone
- The Mom Test, book by Rob Fitzpatrick
- Liberating Structures: BNW Ep. 49 with Keith McCandless
- "IDM" (Integrated Decision Making): BNW Ep. 43
This episode's theme music is Yaggadang by BG & Coyote Radio.
Sound engineering and design by Taylor Marvin of Coupe Studios.

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Brave New Work 63. Mastery in the Age of Self-Management
At Work with The Ready
02/22/21 • 46 min
The workplace is a wealth of knowledge. Each member of an organization is a master in their own specialized field, and in the 21st-century workplace, we're often exchanging knowledge, teaching and learning by equal measure. But in a future where self-management is key, how do we ensure this is done in a healthy way?
In this episode of Brave New Work, Aaron Dignan and Rodney Evans discuss how to cultivate mastery in a world of knowledge workers.
Mentioned references:
- Second Empire/Mansard roof
- Baroque revival
- "Yehudi's episode": BNW Ep. 42 with Yehudi Meshchaninov
- "Mastery episode of Ready for Anything": BNW Ep. 31
- Dr. Akilah Cadet
- Chapter or community of practice / The Spotify model
- The Dunning-Kruger Effect
Our book is available now at bravenewwork.com
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Brave New Work 65. A Better Way to Onboard Employees with Alastair Steward
At Work with The Ready
03/22/21 • 43 min
What's it like to onboard at a company where you don't have a boss? In this episode of Brave New Work, Aaron Dignan and Rodney Evans talk to The Ready member Alastair Steward about his experience onboarding at the company, the concept of a "prologue," and how to situate yourself effectively in a self-managed organization.
You can find Alastair here on LinkedIn.
Mentioned references:
- "Oculus boxing game"
- imposter syndrome
- "adjacent possibles"
- "safe to try"
- "participatory governance": BNW Ep. 43
- "authority": BNW Ep. 22
- Shu Ha Ri
- "mastery": BNW Ep. 31
- "OS Coffee": BNW Ep. 144
Our book is available now at bravenewwork.com
We want to hear from you. Send your thoughts and feedback to [email protected]
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How many episodes does At Work with The Ready have?
At Work with The Ready currently has 228 episodes available.
What topics does At Work with The Ready cover?
The podcast is about Management, Entrepreneurship, Podcasts and Business.
What is the most popular episode on At Work with The Ready?
The episode title 'Depthfinding: Sunshine Zone - Artifacts, Org Charts, and Metrics' is the most popular.
What is the average episode length on At Work with The Ready?
The average episode length on At Work with The Ready is 43 minutes.
How often are episodes of At Work with The Ready released?
Episodes of At Work with The Ready are typically released every 7 days.
When was the first episode of At Work with The Ready?
The first episode of At Work with The Ready was released on Nov 19, 2019.
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