
Lori Adams-Brown on When Leaders Become Bullies: Lessons from the Oval Office Zelensky Ambush
03/05/25 • 40 min
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Are you ready to uncover the unexpected truth about workplace bullying and abuse tactics? Get ready to be surprised as we dive deep into the world of psychological safety and resilience in high-stress work environments. This story takes us on a journey through unexpected parallels in global leadership, leaving us with an open loop of empowerment and a call to action. Stay tuned to discover the powerful strategies for dealing with workplace mobbing and intimidation, and how leaders are healing from psychological abuse. You won't want to miss this eye-opening revelation.
"Your story matters. Your voice matters. And together, we expose these power structures, and we demand better for our workplaces, for our world." - Lori Adams-Brown
In this episode, you will be able to:
- Understand the importance of psychological safety in global leadership for building trust and collaboration.
- Recognize and address workplace bullying and intimidation tactics to create a healthier work environment.
- Explore the effects of narcissistic abuse in leadership to better understand its impact on individuals and teams.
- Learn effective strategies for dealing with workplace mobbing to protect yourself and others in high-stress environments.
- Discover the potential for healing from psychological abuse with EMDR therapy, offering hope for recovery and resilience.
The key moments in this episode are:
00:00:02 - Welcome and Introduction
00:00:23 - Walking Through Trauma
00:01:38 - Renewed Commitment
00:02:28 - Women's History Month
00:05:20 - Psychological Warfare
00:13:57 - Abuse of Power and Manipulation
00:15:50 - Narcissistic Abuse and Endorsement
00:17:40 - Self-Reflection and Inner Healing
00:19:31 - Bullying and Intimidation
00:23:40 - Gaslighting and DARVO
00:26:30 - Building Support and Smear Campaigns
00:27:13 - Coercive Control and Payoff for Silence
00:28:32 - False Attacks on Character
00:31:02 - Psychological Abuse and Mobbing
00:35:13 - Refusing to be Silent
"Bullies don't win when we refuse to be silent. Abusers count on secrecy. But when we tell the truth, when we step out in courage, courage is contagious. And we take their power away."
Lori Adams-Brown
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- Leave a review for the podcast to share your thoughts and help the community grow.
- Share this specific episode with someone who might need to hear it, as your support helps in spreading important messages and reaching more people.
- Listen to episode 102 of A World of Difference titled The Gaslighting and the Flanking to hear the full story and gain a deeper understanding of workplace bullying and abuse.
- Consider exploring the work of Dr. Chuck de Groat and Dr. Wade Mullen, who have been featured on the podcast and provide valuable insights into therapeutic and research-based approaches to understanding abuse in systems and individuals.
"Keep speaking up, keep standing firm, and never, ever, ever let the bullies win."
Lori Adams-Brown
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Are you ready to uncover the unexpected truth about workplace bullying and abuse tactics? Get ready to be surprised as we dive deep into the world of psychological safety and resilience in high-stress work environments. This story takes us on a journey through unexpected parallels in global leadership, leaving us with an open loop of empowerment and a call to action. Stay tuned to discover the powerful strategies for dealing with workplace mobbing and intimidation, and how leaders are healing from psychological abuse. You won't want to miss this eye-opening revelation.
"Your story matters. Your voice matters. And together, we expose these power structures, and we demand better for our workplaces, for our world." - Lori Adams-Brown
In this episode, you will be able to:
- Understand the importance of psychological safety in global leadership for building trust and collaboration.
- Recognize and address workplace bullying and intimidation tactics to create a healthier work environment.
- Explore the effects of narcissistic abuse in leadership to better understand its impact on individuals and teams.
- Learn effective strategies for dealing with workplace mobbing to protect yourself and others in high-stress environments.
- Discover the potential for healing from psychological abuse with EMDR therapy, offering hope for recovery and resilience.
The key moments in this episode are:
00:00:02 - Welcome and Introduction
00:00:23 - Walking Through Trauma
00:01:38 - Renewed Commitment
00:02:28 - Women's History Month
00:05:20 - Psychological Warfare
00:13:57 - Abuse of Power and Manipulation
00:15:50 - Narcissistic Abuse and Endorsement
00:17:40 - Self-Reflection and Inner Healing
00:19:31 - Bullying and Intimidation
00:23:40 - Gaslighting and DARVO
00:26:30 - Building Support and Smear Campaigns
00:27:13 - Coercive Control and Payoff for Silence
00:28:32 - False Attacks on Character
00:31:02 - Psychological Abuse and Mobbing
00:35:13 - Refusing to be Silent
"Bullies don't win when we refuse to be silent. Abusers count on secrecy. But when we tell the truth, when we step out in courage, courage is contagious. And we take their power away."
Lori Adams-Brown
- Subscribe to the A World of Difference podcast to stay updated on future episodes and continue leaning into important conversations.
- Leave a review for the podcast to share your thoughts and help the community grow.
- Share this specific episode with someone who might need to hear it, as your support helps in spreading important messages and reaching more people.
- Listen to episode 102 of A World of Difference titled The Gaslighting and the Flanking to hear the full story and gain a deeper understanding of workplace bullying and abuse.
- Consider exploring the work of Dr. Chuck de Groat and Dr. Wade Mullen, who have been featured on the podcast and provide valuable insights into therapeutic and research-based approaches to understanding abuse in systems and individuals.
"Keep speaking up, keep standing firm, and never, ever, ever let the bullies win."
Lori Adams-Brown
Connect with us:
- https://www.aworldofdifferencepodcast.com
- YouTube
- Substack
- Threads
- Patreon (for exclusive episodes just for Difference Makers)
- Bluesky
- TikTok
- Subscribe to the podcast, leave a review, and share this episode with someone who might need to hear it. Your support helps the community grow and keeps these important conversations going.
- If you need professional help, such as therapy: https://www.betterhelp.com/difference
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Dr. Beth Allison Barr on The Pastor's Wife and The High Cost of the Two-for-One Bargain
Join Dr. Beth Allison Barr for a little history lesson where we see that the role of the pastor's wife hasn't always been this way.
In this episode, you will be able to:
- Discover the empowering impact of women in church leadership roles.
- Uncover the influence of patriarchal systems on women in ministry today.
- Explore the fascinating historical evolution of the pastor's wife role.
- Navigate the unique challenges faced by pastors' wives in evangelical churches.
- Embrace the benefits of inclusive leadership for a more diverse and welcoming church community.
My special guest is Dr. Beth Allison Barr
Dr. Beth Allison Barr, (PhD, University of North Carolina at Chapel
Hill) is James Vardaman Endowed Chair of History at Baylor
University in Waco, Texas, where she specializes in medieval
history, women’s history, and church history. She is the author of
the USA Today bestseller The Making of Biblical Womanhood:
How the Subjugation of Women Became Gospel Truth. Her work
has been featured by NPR and the New Yorker, and she has
written for Christianity Today, the Washington Post, The Dallas
Morning News, Sojourners, and Baptist News Global. Barr lives in
Texas with her husband, a Baptist pastor, and their two children.
The key moments in this episode are:
00:00:02 - Introducing Dr. Beth Allison Barr
00:01:07 - Unpacking the Role of the Pastor's Wife
00:02:03 - The Personal Impact
00:02:55 - The Intersection of History and Personal Experience
00:13:49 - Women in Ministry and The Southern Baptist Convention
00:14:41 - Historical Context of Women in Ministry
00:21:02 - Expectations and Unpaid Labor
00:22:12 - Gendered Giftedness and Leadership
00:26:20 - Dorothy Patterson's Symbolic Submission
00:28:08 - The Cost of Patriarchy
00:30:59 - The Patriarchal Bargain
00:33:14 - Burden of the Ideal Pastor's Wife
00:36:25 - Stress and Expectations
00:38:08 - Embracing Inclusive Leadership
00:42:00 - The impact of patriarchal systems on women in the church
00:43:27 - Righteous anger and calls to action
00:44:31 - Recognizing the unseen labor of women in the church
00:46:11 - Embracing women's God-given gifts and dreams
00:47:35 - Encouragement to make a difference
- Pre-order Dr. Beth Allison Barr's book Becoming the Pastor's Wife to gain deeper insights into the challenges and expectations placed on women in ministry.
- Follow Dr. Beth Allison Barr on her website and social media platforms to stay updated on her writing and research.
- Share this podcast episode with a friend who needs to hear the empowering message about women's roles in the church and the importance of embracing their own God-given gifts and callings.
- Subscribe to the podcast and leave a review to support the community and help spread the message of making a difference in the world.
- Take the time to reflect on your own role and calling, and give yourself permission to take up space and embrace your full, unapologetic presence in the church and the world.
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Lori Adams-Brown on Peace at What Price? Examining the Dark Side of Keeping Quiet
Uncover the unexpected truth behind self-muting and self-sacrifice. You won't believe how cultural narratives have shaped your self-image and impacted your personal growth. Dive into this eye-opening conversation and discover the surprising power of authenticity to empower not just yourself, but those around you. Are you ready to break free from the chains of self-muting and step into your true, unapologetic self? Join us as we unravel the untold stories that have been holding you back and unlock the door to liberation. Get ready to be empowered and inspire others to do the same.
In this episode, you will be able to:
- Unleash your authentic voice and break free from self-muting.
- Discover how cultural narratives shape your self-image and influence your choices.
- Empower yourself by understanding the emotional labor women often undertake.
- Learn to navigate self-sacrifice as part of your personal growth journey.
- Practice authenticity and empower others through your genuine presence.
"Self muting doesn't just silence your voice, it also silences your impact."
The key moments in this episode are:
00:01:18 - Breaking free from self-muting and self-sacrifice
00:05:52 - The discomfort of being fully seen
00:11:06 - Embracing truth and sharing knowledge
00:13:56 - Unpacking the culture of self-sacrifice
00:14:25 - The Burden of Self-Sacrifice
00:17:35 - The Impact of Self-Sacrifice
00:21:29 - Steps Towards Authenticity
00:26:11 - Liberating Yourself and Others
00:27:07 - Call to Action
00:28:50 - Rate and Review the Podcast
00:29:03 - Authenticity and Self-Expression
00:29:49 - Self-Care and Healing
"When we reclaim our voice, when we honor our needs and name our truths, we actually break cycles, really dysfunctional, damaging cycles that really hurt a lot of us."
"Freedom is really contagious. In a world that really benefits from our silence, using your voice is an act of resistance and an act of hope." - Lori Adams-Brown
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- Leave a review for the podcast on the platform you listen to, to help the community grow and continue having important conversations.
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- Consider reaching out on social media platforms such as Bluesky, LinkedIn, or Substack to connect with the host, Lori Adams Brown, and engage with the community.
- Explore the newsletters The Global Edge on LinkedIn and A World of Difference on Substack for more in-depth discussions on various topics related to not self-muting and avoiding excessive self-sacrifice.
Connect with us:
- https://www.aworldofdifferencepodcast.com
- YouTube
- Substack
- Threads
- Patreon (for exclusive episodes just for Difference Makers)
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- TikTok
- Subscribe to the podcast, leave a review, and share this episode with someone who might need to hear it. Your support helps the community grow and keeps these important conversations going.
- If you need professional help, such as therapy: https://www.betterhelp.com/difference
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