
627 | Hunt Gather Cook with Hank Shaw - Wild Game, Fish, Mushroom and Berries
07/03/24 • 69 min
Show Notes: https://wetflyswing.com/627
Presented by: Skwala, Guide Book, Yellowstone Teton Territory, Waters West
Sponsors: https://wetflyswing.com/sponsors
Hank Shaw, author of the book "Hunt, Gather, Cook" and a James Beard Award-winning chef, will guide us through his acclaimed books like "Buck, Buck, Moose" and "Hook, Line, and Supper," revealing secrets to achieving the perfect high-heat cooking techniques and ensuring your fish never sticks to the pan again.
From identifying wild berries to mastering the art of cooking over an open fire, Hank's expertise will elevate your outdoor cooking game. Plus, we'll get a glimpse into his fascinating journey from political journalism to becoming a full-time hunter, fisherman, and gatherer. Get ready for an insightful and delicious adventure with Hank Shaw!
Episode Chapters with Hank Shaw on Hunt Gather Cook
2:40 - Hank talks about his lifelong connection to fishing, stemming from his family background in Gloucester, Massachusetts. He recalls childhood memories of fishing and eating seafood.
5:54 - We delve into Hank's journey to becoming a notable figure in the cooking world. Hank recounts his early career as a restaurant cook while attending college and graduate school. He later transitioned to journalism, covering politics extensively, including two presidential campaigns.
Since 2010, Hank has pursued food writing full-time, authoring five cookbooks with a sixth in progress. His blog and publications have allowed him to sustain a successful career in the culinary arts for over 14 years.
8:42 - Hank's first book, "Hunt, Gather, Cook" was based on his blog and published in 2011. He then authored "Duck, Duck, Goose" in 2013, followed by "Buck, Buck, Moose" in 2016, the first book he fully owned. Subsequent titles include "Pheasant, Quail, Cottontail" in 2018 and "Hook, Line, and Supper" in 2021.
12:08 - Hank gives valuable tips on frying fish. He emphasizes that certain types of fish, specifically fatty and soft varieties like trout and salmon, are not ideal for frying. Instead, he recommends whitefish, which are leaner and firmer, for better frying results. One critical advice he offers is to use high heat when frying, as insufficiently hot oil leads to greasy food. Properly heated oil sets the batter and cooks the fish from the inside out, preventing oil from seeping in and making the fish soggy.
15:11 - For cooking trout, Hank suggests using smoke and fire because trout, particularly wild trout, are fatty and soft. He mentions methods such as smoking, smoke roasting, and grilling. He highlights the importance of using a clean, hot, and oiled grate to prevent the fish from sticking, which is a common issue when grilling fish. Hank advises against fiddling with the fish on the grill, noting that once the fish can be moved easily, it’s ready to be flipped, and typically, he only flips the fish once.
21:22 - He discusses the nuances of cooking wild game, particularly focusing on venison. He touches upon common mistakes made by novice cooks, such as overcooking tender cuts and undercooking tougher parts. Hank emphasizes that proper cooking techniques are crucial, providing tips like letting the meat rest and using pan sauces to finish undercooked cuts.
25:17 - Hank ranks different types of fuel for grilling. He advocates for wood as the best option due to its flavor and smoke, followed by lump charcoal, briquettes, and propane. He also underscores that wood provides the best results, but requires more effort and skill.
27:51 - He talks about how he cuts wild game. In cutting deer, he would take the backstrap off, clean it up, and cut it into lengths.
29:47 - He explains the step-by-step process of doing the finger test for doneness for cooking meat.
31:40 - We talk about the safety concerns associated with eating raw fish, particularly focusing on sushi. Hank emphasizes that the primary vector for tapeworms in the US is trout sushi and strongly advises against eating raw trout unless it has been properly frozen. He also touches on the risks associated with eating freshwater salmon, which can carry tapeworms once in rivers.
Hank recommends freezing the fish for about a week to ensure its safety for raw consumption. He also notes that other species of fish may not require such precautions.
33:54 - Hank explains the difference between pelagic and benthic fish. Pelagic fish, such as tuna, mackerel, and bluefish, live in the middle or top layers of the water, whereas benthic fish, ...
Show Notes: https://wetflyswing.com/627
Presented by: Skwala, Guide Book, Yellowstone Teton Territory, Waters West
Sponsors: https://wetflyswing.com/sponsors
Hank Shaw, author of the book "Hunt, Gather, Cook" and a James Beard Award-winning chef, will guide us through his acclaimed books like "Buck, Buck, Moose" and "Hook, Line, and Supper," revealing secrets to achieving the perfect high-heat cooking techniques and ensuring your fish never sticks to the pan again.
From identifying wild berries to mastering the art of cooking over an open fire, Hank's expertise will elevate your outdoor cooking game. Plus, we'll get a glimpse into his fascinating journey from political journalism to becoming a full-time hunter, fisherman, and gatherer. Get ready for an insightful and delicious adventure with Hank Shaw!
Episode Chapters with Hank Shaw on Hunt Gather Cook
2:40 - Hank talks about his lifelong connection to fishing, stemming from his family background in Gloucester, Massachusetts. He recalls childhood memories of fishing and eating seafood.
5:54 - We delve into Hank's journey to becoming a notable figure in the cooking world. Hank recounts his early career as a restaurant cook while attending college and graduate school. He later transitioned to journalism, covering politics extensively, including two presidential campaigns.
Since 2010, Hank has pursued food writing full-time, authoring five cookbooks with a sixth in progress. His blog and publications have allowed him to sustain a successful career in the culinary arts for over 14 years.
8:42 - Hank's first book, "Hunt, Gather, Cook" was based on his blog and published in 2011. He then authored "Duck, Duck, Goose" in 2013, followed by "Buck, Buck, Moose" in 2016, the first book he fully owned. Subsequent titles include "Pheasant, Quail, Cottontail" in 2018 and "Hook, Line, and Supper" in 2021.
12:08 - Hank gives valuable tips on frying fish. He emphasizes that certain types of fish, specifically fatty and soft varieties like trout and salmon, are not ideal for frying. Instead, he recommends whitefish, which are leaner and firmer, for better frying results. One critical advice he offers is to use high heat when frying, as insufficiently hot oil leads to greasy food. Properly heated oil sets the batter and cooks the fish from the inside out, preventing oil from seeping in and making the fish soggy.
15:11 - For cooking trout, Hank suggests using smoke and fire because trout, particularly wild trout, are fatty and soft. He mentions methods such as smoking, smoke roasting, and grilling. He highlights the importance of using a clean, hot, and oiled grate to prevent the fish from sticking, which is a common issue when grilling fish. Hank advises against fiddling with the fish on the grill, noting that once the fish can be moved easily, it’s ready to be flipped, and typically, he only flips the fish once.
21:22 - He discusses the nuances of cooking wild game, particularly focusing on venison. He touches upon common mistakes made by novice cooks, such as overcooking tender cuts and undercooking tougher parts. Hank emphasizes that proper cooking techniques are crucial, providing tips like letting the meat rest and using pan sauces to finish undercooked cuts.
25:17 - Hank ranks different types of fuel for grilling. He advocates for wood as the best option due to its flavor and smoke, followed by lump charcoal, briquettes, and propane. He also underscores that wood provides the best results, but requires more effort and skill.
27:51 - He talks about how he cuts wild game. In cutting deer, he would take the backstrap off, clean it up, and cut it into lengths.
29:47 - He explains the step-by-step process of doing the finger test for doneness for cooking meat.
31:40 - We talk about the safety concerns associated with eating raw fish, particularly focusing on sushi. Hank emphasizes that the primary vector for tapeworms in the US is trout sushi and strongly advises against eating raw trout unless it has been properly frozen. He also touches on the risks associated with eating freshwater salmon, which can carry tapeworms once in rivers.
Hank recommends freezing the fish for about a week to ensure its safety for raw consumption. He also notes that other species of fish may not require such precautions.
33:54 - Hank explains the difference between pelagic and benthic fish. Pelagic fish, such as tuna, mackerel, and bluefish, live in the middle or top layers of the water, whereas benthic fish, ...
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Show Notes: https://wetflyswing.com/626
Presented By: Yellowstone Teton Territory
Bruce Staples, author of multiple books on fishing in the Yellowstone area, is back to take us to the East Idaho Fly Tying Expo.
You'll find out what you can expect for the next one in 2025. You'll also get some of the best flies for fishing in Yellowstone Country and a little insight into Sheridan Lake and other lakes around the country.
You'll also hear about some of Bruce's favorite books and the people you should follow this season.
Episode Chapters with Bruce Staples on the East Idaho Fly Tying Expo
Planning a large fishing event is no easy task. I've planned smaller trips and schools that have required considerable effort, and it's hard to imagine what planning a fly fishing tying expo would be like.
Bruce Staples did just that and has brought back and created one of the biggest fishing expos of its kind.
2024 East Idaho Fly Tying Expo
03:18 - Bruce says that the 2024 East Idaho Fly Tying Expo was a huge success with a massive crowd and fly tyers from all over, even Florida and Ohio.
They had around 40 commercial vendors and kept the same layout from 2023.
05:09 - For 2025, they plan to start prepping in September. They've signed a three-year contract with the Mountain America Center that will end in 2025.
Bruce said they will likely renew because the center is a great venue. It is used for many community events, including hockey games by the Spud Kings, concerts, and basketball tournaments.
Books by Bruce Staples
08:39 - Bruce first started writing in the 1990s. His first three books were done for Frank Amato Publications:
Snake River Country: Flies and Waters (1991) Yellowstone Park (1996) Trout Country Flies: From Greater Yellowstone Area Masters (2002) Later Works: Flies for the Greater Yellowstone Area Fly Fishing the Greater Yellowstone Backcountry Fly Fishing West Yellowstone: A History and Guide
12:30 - Bruce shared how "Fly Fishing West Yellowstone: A History and Guide" came together. He teamed up with Bob Jacklyn, who provided valuable historical insights and photos. Craig Mathews also contributed his expertise.
Check out our episode with Bob here and with Craig here!
21:05 - Bruce shared some hidden fishing spots from his "Fly Fishing the Greater Yellowstone Backcountry" book.
28:32 - Bruce discussed fishing at Eagle Ridge Ranch. The owner, Frank VanderSloot, is a prominent figure in Idaho known for founding Melaleuca, a wellness company.
34:15 Sheridan Lake is a moderate-sized lake offering good fishing. Fishing techniques include using midges, snails, leech patterns, and streamers, which are especially effective in the fall.
More About The East Idaho Fly Tying Expo
38:20 - There are also workshops and demos by expert flytyers like Steven Fernandez and iconic figures like Mike Lawson. There are tying workshops, commercial vendors, and an annual banquet with a live auction.
48:31 - Bruce talks about the exciting plans for the 2025 event. The website will soon have info on vendors and activities starting in February. Many participants from 2024 will return because it was a success.
Show Notes: https://wetflyswing.com/626
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628 | Bay Island Expeditions with Cam Gordon - Honduras Fly Fishing, FishHound Expeditions, Saltwater Fishing
Show Notes: https://wetflyswing.com/628
Presented By: FishHound Expeditions
Sponsors: https://wetflyswing.com/sponsors
What is it about a trip to Central America that may be the one factor that will make this trip a trip of a lifetime? Is it the chance to catch a tarpon or a permit on a fly? Is it getting a break from the US winners for a warm, tropical location? Or is it the local food and people that make this trip magical? Cam Gordon is back on the podcast today to take us into a recently launched fishing lodge in Honduras. We find out how he built this lodge from the ground up, what makes this operation unique, and how you can do it yourself this year.
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Show Notes: https://wetflyswing.com/628
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