
30. Freedom from Perfectionism through Gospel Perfection and Lessons from the Saints with Colleen Carroll Campbell: A Journey from the White House to Spiritual Awakening
02/07/25 • 43 min
The Heart of Gospel Perfection and escaping worldly perfectionism with best-selling author Colleen Carroll Campbell
Part 2 of the interview with Colleen Carroll Campbell
From the chaos of high-stakes politics to the serene wisdom of saints, Colleen Carroll Campbell's journey unfolds with compelling revelations. As a former White House speechwriter, Colleen discusses the unique challenges and spiritual awakenings she encountered working as a journalist and a presidential speechwriter, and as a homeschooling mother and as a Christian writer.
Together, we uncover how figures like St. Francis of Assisi and St. Therese of Liseux (affectionately known as The "Little Flower") have offered profound alternatives to the relentless pursuit of worldly success, challenging us to redefine true fulfillment through the lens of Gospel Perfection.
Discover how the virtues of humility, mercy, and forgiveness have guided saints in their pursuit of authentic love and spiritual growth. By embracing Gospel values, we explore practical ways to silence the noise of societal pressures and focus on nurturing a heart filled with Christ's love. From reducing screen time in preparation for the upcoming Lenten season, to understanding the powerful connection to the Sacred Heart of Jesus, the conversation offers timely insights into living a life aligned with spiritual rather than material values.
Young people today are increasingly drawn to the authenticity of traditional Christian practices. Our discussion reflects on this cultural shift, with Colleen sharing her observations of the resurgence of traditions like the Latin Mass, and its impact on family life through education choices being made by families. Whether it's the rise of homeschooling or the pushback against modern cultural phenomena, there's a growing desire to reclaim solid doctrine and spiritual truth. Join us as we explore these currents and seek inspiration from saints to enrich our journeys and those of our families.
This interview was recorded on Nov. 13, 2024.
To learn more about Colleen's work and find her books, please visit:
Her website is:
https://www.colleen-campbell.com
Colleen's Substack:
https://colleencarrollcampbell.substack.com/
Colleen's Facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/colleencarrollcampbell/
Colleen on X/Twitter:
https://x.com/colleenccampbel
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Here are the books Sheila mentioned at the end of the episode: St. Francis of Assisi by Father Lovasik, S.V.D. (from Seton Home Study Program)
The Heart of Perfection by Colleen Carroll Campbell
https://colleen-campbell.com
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The Heart of Gospel Perfection and escaping worldly perfectionism with best-selling author Colleen Carroll Campbell
Part 2 of the interview with Colleen Carroll Campbell
From the chaos of high-stakes politics to the serene wisdom of saints, Colleen Carroll Campbell's journey unfolds with compelling revelations. As a former White House speechwriter, Colleen discusses the unique challenges and spiritual awakenings she encountered working as a journalist and a presidential speechwriter, and as a homeschooling mother and as a Christian writer.
Together, we uncover how figures like St. Francis of Assisi and St. Therese of Liseux (affectionately known as The "Little Flower") have offered profound alternatives to the relentless pursuit of worldly success, challenging us to redefine true fulfillment through the lens of Gospel Perfection.
Discover how the virtues of humility, mercy, and forgiveness have guided saints in their pursuit of authentic love and spiritual growth. By embracing Gospel values, we explore practical ways to silence the noise of societal pressures and focus on nurturing a heart filled with Christ's love. From reducing screen time in preparation for the upcoming Lenten season, to understanding the powerful connection to the Sacred Heart of Jesus, the conversation offers timely insights into living a life aligned with spiritual rather than material values.
Young people today are increasingly drawn to the authenticity of traditional Christian practices. Our discussion reflects on this cultural shift, with Colleen sharing her observations of the resurgence of traditions like the Latin Mass, and its impact on family life through education choices being made by families. Whether it's the rise of homeschooling or the pushback against modern cultural phenomena, there's a growing desire to reclaim solid doctrine and spiritual truth. Join us as we explore these currents and seek inspiration from saints to enrich our journeys and those of our families.
This interview was recorded on Nov. 13, 2024.
To learn more about Colleen's work and find her books, please visit:
Her website is:
https://www.colleen-campbell.com
Colleen's Substack:
https://colleencarrollcampbell.substack.com/
Colleen's Facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/colleencarrollcampbell/
Colleen on X/Twitter:
https://x.com/colleenccampbel
To reach Veil + Armour on social media
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/@veilandarmour
Website: https://veilandarmour.com
Sheila's Website: https://sheilanonato.com
X/Twitter: https://www.x.com/@sheilanonato
Here are the books Sheila mentioned at the end of the episode: St. Francis of Assisi by Father Lovasik, S.V.D. (from Seton Home Study Program)
The Heart of Perfection by Colleen Carroll Campbell
https://colleen-campbell.com
To reach Veil + Armour, please visit:
https://veilandarmour.com
https://www.youtube.com/@veilandarmour
https://www.x.com/@sheilanonato
https://www.sheilanonato.com
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/@veilandarmour
What resonated with you the most about this episode? Feel free to email us and let us know!
Email: [email protected]
If our podcast helped you in some way, or could help someone else, kindly share our podcast with a friend!
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29. Find Biblical Balance, and Freedom from Worldly and Spiritual Perfectionism and Embrace God's Perfect Love with Colleen Carroll Campbell
Find Freedom from Perfectionism and Embrace God's Perfect Love with Colleen Carroll Campbell
In this episode of the Veil and Armour podcast, host Sheila Nonato welcomes Colleen Carroll Campbell, an award-winning journalist, best-selling Catholic author, former Presidential Speech Writer, and homeschooling Mom, to discuss her critically-acclaimed book, "The Heart of Perfection."
Colleen shares insights on the pervasive issue of perfectionism in the age of social media, comparing oneself to others, and the distinction between material and spiritual perfection. She emphasizes the dangers of both social and spiritual perfectionism, advocating for a deeper understanding of God’s grace and love. Colleen also discusses her personal journey from a high-profile career to embracing motherhood and homeschooling, guided by faith and divine nudges. The episode highlights the teachings of saints like St. Ignatius of Loyola and St. Benedict, offering practical advice on achieving balance and understanding God's will in daily life. The conversation explores the transformative power of accepting one's imperfections and trusting in God's grace, and His Divine plan.
This interview was recorded on Nov. 13, 2024. Thank you for your prayers and support!
To find out more about Colleen's work and her books, "The Heart of Perfection," "My Sisters the Saints," and "The New Faithful," please visit:
https://www.colleen-campbell.com
You can also follow Colleen's work on Facebook and Substack (A Better Homeland - Colleen Carroll Campbell)
https://www.facebook.com/colleencarrollcampbell
https://colleencarrollcampbell.substack.com/
00:00 Introduction to Perfectionism
00:34 Understanding Social and Spiritual Perfectionism
00:53 Saints and Their Struggles with Perfection
01:38 Defining Perfection in Daily Life
02:26 Guest Introduction: Colleen Carroll Campbell
03:33 Embracing Imperfection
05:38 Welcome to this week's episode!
08:39 Colleen's Journey: Career to Motherhood
16:37 Navigating Perfectionism in Faith and Life
19:14 Saint Ignatius and Overcoming Perfectionism
22:45 Saint Benedict's Blueprint for Balance
28:30 Thank you for Listening!
Themes and Takeaways:
• Social perfectionism and its rise in the age of social media
• Distinction between material perfection and spiritual perfection
• Importance of intentions over accomplishments in spiritual growth
• Colleen's journey managing motherhood and career aspirations
• Lessons from St. Ignatius on overcoming despair and cultivating trust
• Value of balance inspired by St. Benedict's teachings
• Embracing imperfection as a path to God's love and grace
• The call to create grace-filled homes amidst societal pressures
To reach Veil + Armour, please visit:
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31. How do we pray? And how can we sanctify Social Media? A conversation on the Power of Digital Prayer with Cassandre Verhelst of the Hozana Prayer App
How to build your "Saints Prayer Squad" to build a prayer community around the world and discover the power of prayer
Social media and the Internet can be tools for good to evangelize across borders. However, it can also point to the dark side of humanity
How do we sanctify social media?
With careful and purposeful intentionality in what we consume on social media and for Christian content creators, what we produce.
How do we fight the dark side of the web? How do we arm ourselves in the spiritual battle against the dark forces of the world and in the web ?
Through the armour of faith, through the power of prayer.
Let's listen to Cassandra Verhelst of the Hozana and Rosario App speak of how we can join our prayers together to bring souls to Christ, and build a prayer community of support around the world.
To explore the Hozana and Rosario Prayer Apps, please visit:
For Rosario: https://tinyurl.com/9d5bsk2t
For Hozana: https://tinyurl.com/4sfb4ck9
Thank you for listening! May you have a blessed week!
If you'd like to join our prayer challenge for Lent, feel free to sign up: There will be an accountability checklist and prayers for reflection.
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00:16:40
Revival and Restoration in France
00:32:04
The Power of Community Prayer
00:37:23
Strengthening Faith Through Group Prayer
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I think that's why you see all of this different evidence of young adults attracted to a more robust and small , oh , orthodox faith orthodox meaning right belief .
Colleen Caroll CampbellSo they want something solid and that expresses itself , as you said , in different ways . Love young people enough to tell them the truth , even when
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