
Episode 102: Destigmatizing Mental Health (with Andrew Devendorf)
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02/08/23 • 79 min
Andrew Devendorf joins Alexa and Yoel to discuss his work on "me-search" (or self-relevant research) within clinical psychology. He talks about the prevalence of mental health difficulties within the field, and the harmful taboos against speaking openly about them. And, he shares his own reasons for studying depression and suicide, and how he has been discouraged from citing personal experience as a motivation for his work. Their conversation also explores common misconceptions about mental illness, strengths of self-relevant research, and ways to be more supportive to those facing mental health challenges. In the end, Yoel and Alexa fail to resolve their debate about the existence of the "unbiased researcher."
Special Guest: Andrew Devendorf.
Links:
- Two Psychologists Four Beers on Untappd
- Andrew Devendorf, M.A.
- PsyArXiv Preprints | Stigmatizing our own: Self-relevant research (Me-search) is common but frowned upon in clinical psychological science
- PsyArXiv Preprints | Is "me-search" a Kiss of Death in mental health research
- Only Human: Mental-Health Difficulties Among Clinical, Counseling, and School Psychology Faculty and Trainees
- My Brother Went Missing, And The Search For Him Turned My World Upside Down | HuffPost HuffPost Personal
- NADA SURF - where is my mind? (Official Video) - YouTube
Andrew Devendorf joins Alexa and Yoel to discuss his work on "me-search" (or self-relevant research) within clinical psychology. He talks about the prevalence of mental health difficulties within the field, and the harmful taboos against speaking openly about them. And, he shares his own reasons for studying depression and suicide, and how he has been discouraged from citing personal experience as a motivation for his work. Their conversation also explores common misconceptions about mental illness, strengths of self-relevant research, and ways to be more supportive to those facing mental health challenges. In the end, Yoel and Alexa fail to resolve their debate about the existence of the "unbiased researcher."
Special Guest: Andrew Devendorf.
Links:
- Two Psychologists Four Beers on Untappd
- Andrew Devendorf, M.A.
- PsyArXiv Preprints | Stigmatizing our own: Self-relevant research (Me-search) is common but frowned upon in clinical psychological science
- PsyArXiv Preprints | Is "me-search" a Kiss of Death in mental health research
- Only Human: Mental-Health Difficulties Among Clinical, Counseling, and School Psychology Faculty and Trainees
- My Brother Went Missing, And The Search For Him Turned My World Upside Down | HuffPost HuffPost Personal
- NADA SURF - where is my mind? (Official Video) - YouTube
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Episode 101: An Outside Perspective on Implicit Bias
Alexa and Yoel discuss the much trodden topic of implicit bias from a less trodden perspective: that of the general public. Offering insight into the public's views is a paper by Jeffrey Yen, Kevin Durrheim, and Romin Tafarodi, which explores public thinking about the implicit association test (IAT) through an examination of the New York Times comments section. These comments demonstrate varying reactions to the idea that negative associations with some identities - racial and otherwise - can bubble beneath the surface of our explicit attitudes. Some dismiss the IAT as "academic abstraction," while others see their scores as an opportunity for confession, or even absolution. Still others embrace the role of troll, a topic foreshadowed by our discussion of the proposed overhauling of New College of Florida.
Links:
- Two Psychologists Four Beers on Untappd
- 'I'm happy to own my implicit biases': Public encounters with the implicit association test - PubMed
- The Bias of Individuals (in Crowds): Why Implicit Bias Is Probably a Noisily Measured Individual-Level Construct - Paul Connor, Ellen R. K. Evers, 2020
- Project Implicit
- Opinion | DeSantis Allies Plot the Hostile Takeover of a Liberal College - The New York Times
- Pascal Comelade & Les Limiñanas - T.B. JerK +++ - YouTube
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Episode 103: Psych (with Paul Bloom)
Alexa and Yoel chat with Paul Bloom about his newest book, Psych: The Story of the Human Mind. The book, built from Paul's popular Introduction to Psychology course, is an opinionated overview of the field of psychology but also a window into his deep fascination with the mind. Yoel and Alexa spend some time picking Paul's brain, inquiring about writing, and teaching, and how to avoid boredom. But Paul has a few questions of his own, challenging the cohosts to consider what their own version of Psych would look like. In the process, their conversation ranges from Freudian dream content, to the limitations of psychology, to the (glaring omission of) the anatomy of the inner ear.
Special Guest: Paul Bloom.
Links:
- Two Psychologists Four Beers on Untappd
- Paul Bloom
- Psych: The Story of the Human Mind
- How To Be Good | The New Yorker
- Strangers Drowning: Impossible Idealism, Drastic Choices, and the Urge to Help: MacFarquhar, Larissa: 9780143109785: Amazon.com: Books
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