
100 Unexpected Destinations to Add to Your Travel Wishlist with National Geographic’s Andrew Nelson: Lecce (Italy), Luang Prabang (Laos), Indianapolis, Manchester (England), and More
02/20/24 • 38 min
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Getting people to think differently when deciding where to travel next is a specialty of the travel journalist Andrew Nelson, a writer for two decades with National Geographic Travel and a two-time Lowell Thomas prize winner. Andrew joins Bruce on the podcast to discuss places in his new National Geographic book, Here Not There, revealing 100 alternative travel destinations to the ones we've probably all heard about 1,000 times.
Andrew tells us about the places that are overlooked and why they're worth visiting, in addition to the obvious benefit of often being less crowded and less expensive. He guides us to the Miami of the North, the Amsterdam of the Midwest, and a place he describes as the most accessible yet mysterious places he's ever visited. He'll even tell us where you can dance until dawn and drink (responsibly) like a fool.
Andrew doesn't just list places in this Travel That Matters episode, but tells us about the history, the tours and events you can attend, and the food that's there for you to enjoy. He emphasizes the element of surprise in travel, while adding in bragging rights that come with being among the few who have traveled to some of these alternative destinations.
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You can find out more details about the locations below mentioned in the episode:
- Zozobra Festival: https://burnzozobra.com/
- The Secret Stairs of Los Angeles https://secretstairs-la.com/
- San Cassiano, Dolomites https://www.altabadia.org/en/italian-alps-dolomites/villages/san-cassiano.html
- Kotor, Montenegro https://www.turismomontenegro.es/ciudades-de-montenegro/kotor/
- Alamos, Sonora https://www.gob.mx/sectur/articulos/alamos-sonora
- Bottleworks Hotel: https://www.bottleworkshotel.com/
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To learn more about Andrew Nelson, check out his website https://andrewtnelson.com/
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Travel That Matters is a CurtCo Media production.
Host: Bruce Wallin
Producer: AJ Moseley
Marketing: Catrin Skaperdas
Music: Joey Salvia
See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Getting people to think differently when deciding where to travel next is a specialty of the travel journalist Andrew Nelson, a writer for two decades with National Geographic Travel and a two-time Lowell Thomas prize winner. Andrew joins Bruce on the podcast to discuss places in his new National Geographic book, Here Not There, revealing 100 alternative travel destinations to the ones we've probably all heard about 1,000 times.
Andrew tells us about the places that are overlooked and why they're worth visiting, in addition to the obvious benefit of often being less crowded and less expensive. He guides us to the Miami of the North, the Amsterdam of the Midwest, and a place he describes as the most accessible yet mysterious places he's ever visited. He'll even tell us where you can dance until dawn and drink (responsibly) like a fool.
Andrew doesn't just list places in this Travel That Matters episode, but tells us about the history, the tours and events you can attend, and the food that's there for you to enjoy. He emphasizes the element of surprise in travel, while adding in bragging rights that come with being among the few who have traveled to some of these alternative destinations.
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You can find out more details about the locations below mentioned in the episode:
- Zozobra Festival: https://burnzozobra.com/
- The Secret Stairs of Los Angeles https://secretstairs-la.com/
- San Cassiano, Dolomites https://www.altabadia.org/en/italian-alps-dolomites/villages/san-cassiano.html
- Kotor, Montenegro https://www.turismomontenegro.es/ciudades-de-montenegro/kotor/
- Alamos, Sonora https://www.gob.mx/sectur/articulos/alamos-sonora
- Bottleworks Hotel: https://www.bottleworkshotel.com/
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To learn more about Andrew Nelson, check out his website https://andrewtnelson.com/
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Travel That Matters is a CurtCo Media production.
Host: Bruce Wallin
Producer: AJ Moseley
Marketing: Catrin Skaperdas
Music: Joey Salvia
See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Safari, Wine Country, and City in South Africa: Cape Town Culinary Experiences, Kalahari and Kruger Wildlife Immersions, Itineraries by Locals, and Hermanus and Stellenbosch Excursions
Embark on an adventure through South Africa with Liam Tomlin (Cape Town chef), Deborah Calmeyer (ROAR Africa founder), and Tiago Sarmento (managing director of Belmond in Southern Africa), whose stories and insider tips on crafting the ultimate travel experience will have you hooked on this something-for-everybody destination.
On his recent trip to Cape Town and Tswalu Kalahari reserve in South Africa, Bruce caught up with Tomlin and Sarmento to talk about Cape Town’s culinary delights, under-the-radar gastronomic and adventure tours, going on safari with children, and other unique experiences beyond the ordinary.
Bruce also spoke with safari expert Calmeyer, who shares tips for first-timers, malaria-free areas, the best farmer’s market in Cape Town, and a two-week blowout itinerary.
You’ll also learn where locals from Cape Town go for vacation—hint: there’s great whale watching—and get fun facts like where you can order half a goat in a car wash. Whether you’re a seasoned safari-goer or planning your first trip, whether you’re going with kids or just adults, this episode has something for you.
Listen and catch the full details of why South Africa is a must-visit, and hear Bruce give his email for anyone who would like his help with planning a safari experience. Wait until the end to hear Bruce share a few of his favorite picks for safari adventures in South Africa and beyond.
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You can find out more details about the locations mentioned in the episode below:
Mount Nelson, a Belmond Hotel, https://www.belmond.com
Chef’s Warehouse, https://www.chefswarehouse.co.za
ROAR Africa, https://www.roarafrica.com
Tswalu Kalahari, https://tswalu.com
Delaire Graff Estate, https://www.delaire.co.za
Oranjezicht Farmer’s Market, Cape Town
Singita Sabi Sand, https://singita.com
Cheetah Plains, https://www.cheetahplains.com
Singita Grumeti, https://singita.com
Selinda Reserve / Great Plains Conservation, https://greatplainsconservation.com
Wilderness Hoanib Skeleton Coast Camp, https://www.wildernessdestinations.com
Belmond Savute Elephant Lodge, https://www.belmond.com
Belmond Eagle Island Lodge, https://www.belmond.com
Pigcasso, https://pigcasso.org
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Travel That Matters is a CurtCo Media production.
Host: Bruce Wallin
Producer: AJ Moseley
Marketing: Catrin Skaperdas
Music: Joey Salvia
See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Season 4 is Coming Soon - Master Chef Series 2024
The 2023 Master Chef series was such a success that we decided to keep it going for another season!
Prepare your palate for adventure, because Travel That Matters is about to take off (again) with the top tastemakers on a culinary journey around the globe, including Nancy Silverton, Wolfgang Puck, Charlie Palmer, Danny Meyer, Jonathan Waxman, and many more incredible chefs and restaurateurs.
In anticipation, listen (or relisten) to season 3 of Travel That Matters, the first iteration of the Master Chef series, and hear from Marcus Samuelsson, Amanda Freitag, Daniel Boulud, Gregory Gourdet, Curtis Stone, among others, who share their favorite destinations, inspiring travel stories, and insider tips.
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