OI03: The inner workings of a High-Frequency Strategy ft. Anant Jatia

11/29/23 • 61 min

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Anant Jatia, the founder and CEO of Greenland Investment Management, joins Moritz Seibert for a commodities-focused conversation. In this episode, Anant explains how Greenland developed from currency market making to what today is predominantly an HFT-driven commodities arbitrage fund. Anant has a detailed understanding of the workings of physical commodity markets and focuses Greenland’s trades on location and substitution arbitrage trades. Moritz and Anant discuss several exemplary trades in detail, including sizing and portfolio implementation, and focus on the tail exposures which could materialize while the trade is active. This is a detailed and somewhat technical episode and a must-listen for anyone interested in commodities arbitrage trading.

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Episode TimeStamps:

02:09 - Introduction to Anant Jatia

06:39 - Anant's experience from working at AQR

08:46 - How did Anant's firm evolve over time?

10:44 - How difficult is High-Frequency Trading?

14:33 - What is their current trading strategy?

17:07 - An example of one of their trades

21:17 - Staying away from the physical side

23:33 - Tracking the market and executing trades

27:18 - Managing the cost of trades

29:58 - How did they get through the Covid19 period?

34:37 - How many markets are they trading?

36:49 - The process of trading copper

38:43 - How do you obtain transportation costs?

40:47 - Achieving the optimal trading efficiency

43:37 - A multi-legged trading strategy

47:34 - Anant's perspective on the Natural Gas markets

50:50 - Putting it all together

54:39 - Building for negative tail events

57:26 - What kind of exposure do they have?

59:17 - Key takeaways

59:58 - Thanks for listening

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IT’s TRUE ? – most CIO’s read 50+ books each year – get your FREE copy of the Ultimate Guide to the Best Investment Books ever written here.

And you can get a free copy of my latest book “Ten Reasons to Add Trend Following to Your Portfolio” here.

Learn more about the Trend Barometer here.

Send your questions to [email protected]

And please share this episode with a like-minded friend and leave an honest Rating & Review on iTunes or Spotify so more people can discover the podcast.

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Episode TimeStamps:

02:09 - Introduction to Anant Jatia

06:39 - Anant's experience from working at AQR

08:46 - How did Anant's firm evolve over time?

10:44 - How difficult is High-Frequency Trading?

14:33 - What is their current trading strategy?

17:07 - An example of one of their trades

21:17 - Staying away from the physical side

23:33 - Tracking the market and executing trades

27:18 - Managing the cost of trades

29:58 - How did they get through the Covid19 period?

34:37 - How many markets are they trading?

36:49 - The process of trading copper

38:43 - How do you obtain transportation costs?

40:47 - Achieving the optimal trading efficiency

43:37 - A multi-legged trading strategy

47:34 - Anant's perspective on the Natural Gas markets

50:50 - Putting it all together

54:39 - Building for negative tail events

57:26 - What kind of exposure do they have?

59:17 - Key takeaways

59:58 - Thanks for listening

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PLUS: Whenever you're ready... here are 3 ways I can help you in your investment Journey:

1. eBooks that cover key topics that you need to know about

In my eBooks, I put together some key discoveries and things I have learnt d...

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And you can get a free copy of my latest book “Ten Reasons to Add Trend Following to Your Portfolio” here.

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01:06:48 - Thanks for listening

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Follow Niels on Twitter, LinkedIn, YouTube or via the TTU website.

IT’s TRUE ? – most CIO’s read 50+ books each year – get your FREE copy of the Ultimate Guide to the Best Investment Books ever written here.

And you can get a free copy of my latest book “Ten Reasons to Add Trend Following to Your Portfolio” here.

Learn more about the Trend Barometer here.

Send your questions to [email protected]

And please share this episode with a like-minded friend and leave an honest Rating & Review on iTunes or Spotify so more people can discover the podcast.

Follow Andrew on Twitter.

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1. eBooks that cover key topics that you need to know about

2. Daily Trend Barometer and Market Score

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