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The Partial Historians - Special Episode - Women of Myth with Ancient History Fan Girl

Special Episode - Women of Myth with Ancient History Fan Girl

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07/27/23 • 54 min

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The Partial Historians

Content warning for this episode: violence, sexual violence, removal of children

We sit down to chat with Genn and Jenny, the fabulous cohosts of the Ancient History Fan Girl podcast. They have recently published Women of Myth: From Deer Woman and Mami Wata to Amaterasu and Athena which examines fifty women and femme presenting figures from cultures across the globe.

While Women of Myth is the centre of this conversation, there’s no way to discuss ancient ideas about women without considering how that might reflect upon the contemporary issues that women face. This also leads into consideration of the challenges faced by women throughout history.

We wrap up with a discussion of looking beyond the ancient Greco-Roman world – the value of doing that and what that can look like in podcasting.

Special Episode – Women of Myth with Ancient History Fan Girl

What makes a book?

In this interview, we explore some of the details of the book including

  • The ideas that shaped the concept for Women of Myth
  • The role of Sara Richard’s illustrations in expanding representation
  • What it was like to co-write a book together

Listen out for discussions about

  • Amba/Shikhandi – The Vengeance-Seeking Genderqueer Warrior of the Mahabharata
  • Atalanta – The Ancient Greek Warrior, Athlete, and Argonaut
  • Ītzpāpālōtl – The Skeletal Warrior Goddess of the Aztecs
  • La Llorona – The Wailing Woman of Mexican Mythology
  • Medea – Dr G draws parallels with La Llorona and Medea’s stories
  • The Morrigan – The Ancient Irish Goddess of War and Battle Frenzy
  • Oya – The Yoruba Warrior Goddess and Orisha of the Wind

Interested in Women of Myth?

Consider these retailers:

The book cover!

Sound Credits

Our music was composed by Bettina Joy de Guzman.

An illustration by Sara Richard from Women of Myth of Ītzpāpālōtl, the Aztec Skeletal warrior goddess.
She appears as a crown skull with green feathered hair surrounded by flames.

Automated Transcript

Dr Rad 0:16
Welcome to The Partial Historians.

Dr G 0:20
We explore all the details of ancient Rome.

Dr Rad 0:23
Everything from the political scandals, the levels as the battles waged, and when citizens turn against each other. I'm Dr. Rad.

Dr G 0:34
And I'm Dr. G. We consider Rome as the Romans saw it, by reading different authors from the ancient past and comparing their stories.

Dr Rad 0:43
Join us as we trace the journey of Rome from the founding of the city. Welcome to a very special edition of The Partial Historians. I am Dr. Rad.

Dr G 1:00
And I'm Dr. G.

Dr Rad 1:02
And Dr. G, we are joined today by two extra special guests. I know this is very exciting for us two extra special people are with us. And the mystery of way shall soon be revealed. I know what I mean, this is this is really a treat because we are joined by two members of the unofficial lady pod squad. And that is right we are joined by Jenny and Genn, who are the hosts of the extremely popular Ancient History Fan Girl podcast. And we are both fan girls of that podcast. Are we not Dr. G?

Dr G 1:39
We are so it's like super, super exciting. It's like ancient history girls unite.

Dr Rad 1:43
Exactly, exactly.

Jenny 1:45
The feeling is mutual.

Genn 1:46
Very mutual.

Dr Rad 1:50
It's actually it's actually really shocking that we have not had you on our show before this because it was many, many moons ago that we recorded Spartacus together. And I feel like it's because we're constantly in contact in terms of I constantly see what you guys are up to on Instagram and constantly listen to your show. And I kind of forget th...

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Content warning for this episode: violence, sexual violence, removal of children

We sit down to chat with Genn and Jenny, the fabulous cohosts of the Ancient History Fan Girl podcast. They have recently published Women of Myth: From Deer Woman and Mami Wata to Amaterasu and Athena which examines fifty women and femme presenting figures from cultures across the globe.

While Women of Myth is the centre of this conversation, there’s no way to discuss ancient ideas about women without considering how that might reflect upon the contemporary issues that women face. This also leads into consideration of the challenges faced by women throughout history.

We wrap up with a discussion of looking beyond the ancient Greco-Roman world – the value of doing that and what that can look like in podcasting.

Special Episode – Women of Myth with Ancient History Fan Girl

What makes a book?

In this interview, we explore some of the details of the book including

  • The ideas that shaped the concept for Women of Myth
  • The role of Sara Richard’s illustrations in expanding representation
  • What it was like to co-write a book together

Listen out for discussions about

  • Amba/Shikhandi – The Vengeance-Seeking Genderqueer Warrior of the Mahabharata
  • Atalanta – The Ancient Greek Warrior, Athlete, and Argonaut
  • Ītzpāpālōtl – The Skeletal Warrior Goddess of the Aztecs
  • La Llorona – The Wailing Woman of Mexican Mythology
  • Medea – Dr G draws parallels with La Llorona and Medea’s stories
  • The Morrigan – The Ancient Irish Goddess of War and Battle Frenzy
  • Oya – The Yoruba Warrior Goddess and Orisha of the Wind

Interested in Women of Myth?

Consider these retailers:

The book cover!

Sound Credits

Our music was composed by Bettina Joy de Guzman.

An illustration by Sara Richard from Women of Myth of Ītzpāpālōtl, the Aztec Skeletal warrior goddess.
She appears as a crown skull with green feathered hair surrounded by flames.

Automated Transcript

Dr Rad 0:16
Welcome to The Partial Historians.

Dr G 0:20
We explore all the details of ancient Rome.

Dr Rad 0:23
Everything from the political scandals, the levels as the battles waged, and when citizens turn against each other. I'm Dr. Rad.

Dr G 0:34
And I'm Dr. G. We consider Rome as the Romans saw it, by reading different authors from the ancient past and comparing their stories.

Dr Rad 0:43
Join us as we trace the journey of Rome from the founding of the city. Welcome to a very special edition of The Partial Historians. I am Dr. Rad.

Dr G 1:00
And I'm Dr. G.

Dr Rad 1:02
And Dr. G, we are joined today by two extra special guests. I know this is very exciting for us two extra special people are with us. And the mystery of way shall soon be revealed. I know what I mean, this is this is really a treat because we are joined by two members of the unofficial lady pod squad. And that is right we are joined by Jenny and Genn, who are the hosts of the extremely popular Ancient History Fan Girl podcast. And we are both fan girls of that podcast. Are we not Dr. G?

Dr G 1:39
We are so it's like super, super exciting. It's like ancient history girls unite.

Dr Rad 1:43
Exactly, exactly.

Jenny 1:45
The feeling is mutual.

Genn 1:46
Very mutual.

Dr Rad 1:50
It's actually it's actually really shocking that we have not had you on our show before this because it was many, many moons ago that we recorded Spartacus together. And I feel like it's because we're constantly in contact in terms of I constantly see what you guys are up to on Instagram and constantly listen to your show. And I kind of forget th...

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undefined - The Partial Recap - 420s BCE

The Partial Recap - 420s BCE

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Another decade is gone and it's time for a Partial Recap! We run through what the ancient sources tell us about this decade. There are some real highs and lows!

The Partial Recap 420s BCE

If you are keen to for some more detail, you can jump into our narrative episodes at 134 – A Dry Period.

A view to the East over the Roman Forum with the Temple of Saturn on the left and the Palatine Hill on the right, showing the Temple of Castor and Pollux, the Arch of Titus, Santa Francesca Romana, and the Colosseum. Detail from the photograph by Nicholas Hartmann, June 1976. Image Source: Wikimedia Commons. Used under license.

Sound Credits

Our music was composed by the fabulous Bettina Joy de Guzman.

Automated Transcript

Dr Rad:

Welcome to the Partial Recap for the 420s BCE!

Dr G: I’m Dr G

Dr Rad: and I’m Dr Rad

Dr G: and this is our highlights edition of the 420s in Rome. We’ll take you through from 429 to 420 in an epitome of our normal episodes.

Dr Rad: Perfect for those mornings when you don’t want some lengthy rhetoric with your coffee – but please be warned – the Roman world is a violent one.

Dr G: Get ready for a recappuccino.

429 BCE

  • In 429 BCE, the consuls were Hostius Lucretius Tricipitinus and Lucius Sergius Fidenas
  • Who could forget this year? Well, apparently a lot of people could – nothing was recorded in some of our sources
  • For others, it might be an issue of confused dates and actually LOTS of things happened that sound very similar to the events of 428

428 BCE

  • In 428 BCE, the consuls were Aulus Cornelius Cossus and Titus Quinctius Poenus Cincinnatus
  • Or maybe Lucius Quinctius Cincinnatus and Aulus Sempronius Atratinus
  • Come on Romans, get your consuls straight!
  • Veii started muscling in on Roman turf, perhaps with some help from the Fidenates
  • The Romans assembled an elite task force to look into their involvement and some men from FIdenae found themselves banished to Ostia for being decidedly shifty
  • For a bit of extra security, more settlers were sent to the colony of Fidenae
  • Rome was then hit by a severe drought, which led to the spread of disease amongst cattle and the citizens
  • In desperation, some superstitions started to spread amongst the populace and had to be reined in

427 BCE

  • In 427 BCE, the consuls were Caius Servilius Structus Ahala and Lucius Papirius Mugillanus
  • Putting the tough times behind them, the ROmans felt well enough to seek revenge against Veii
  • But there’s a procedure to this people! Someone call the fetiales so they can call on Jupiter and get this ball rolling

426 BCE

  • In 426 BCE, the military tribunes with consular power were Titus Quinctius Poenus Cincinnatus, Caius Furius Pacilus Fusus, Marcus Postumius Albinus, and Aulus Cornelius Cossus – whew!
  • The military tribunes with consular power set about this war with Veii – but they didn’t play well together, leading to some humiliating results on the battlefield
  • Crushed and angry, the Romans turned to their favourite solution – a dictator!
  • Mamercus Aemilius was chosen by Cossus, and he chose Cossus to be his Master of the Horse – making them the cutest couple in Rome
  • Meanwhile, Veii was bragging about their recent success to anyone who would listen, and Fidenae agreed to join forces with them once again.
  • Lucky the Romans had Mamercus to whip them all into shape. He and his band of trusty helpers worked together like a well-oiled machine to grind their enemies into the dust!
  • Once more, Cossus was a standout in the battle and Mamercus received a triumph
  • If this all seems very familiar, it is. Suspiciously so!
  • Compare the events yourself by revisiting our episode on 437 BCE

425 BCE

  • In 425 BCE, the military tribunes with consular power were Aulus Sempronius Atratinus, L. Quinctius Cincinnatus, Lucius Furius Medullinus and Lucius Horatius Barbatus.
  • Nothing much happened!
  • The Veientes and the Aequians were each granted truces

424 BCE

  • In 424 BCE, the military tribunes with consular power were Appius Claudius Crassus, Spurius Nautius Rutilus, Lucius Sergius Fidenas, and Sextus Iulius Iullus.
  • Games were held and the Romans were exceedingly polite hosts.
  • The tribunes of the plebs found the whole scene in the city far too peaceful and started haranguing the populace
  • Why weren’t there any military tribunes with ...

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undefined - The Commonwealth of Slaves

The Commonwealth of Slaves

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After the kerfuffles of 420 BCE, it’s time for a brand new year or two! In this episode we consider 419 and 418 BCE. These two years are packed with exciting moments as we get to learn about an uprising from below – we're siding with the slaves!

We recorded in a new location for this episode. So if you hear a little bit of crowd noise in the background that's all part of the atmosphere of taping out and about.

Episode 140 – The Commonwealth of Slaves

The Slaves are Revolting!

It happens every so often, but in this year there’s a few twists! Whose side are the gods on? Is that the smell of smoke? We consider the representation of enslaved people in the ancient written literary sources that provide us with their annalistic narratives...

As events unfold, we take a moment to explore the nature of bodily punishment and particularly crucifixion in ancient Rome. Where did it come from? When did it come into practice? We consider the details.

Still from the film “Spartacus” (1960) showing the crucifixion of the rebels by Rome. We touch on Spartacus in our consideration of the practice of crucifixion. Note, the fate of the historical Spartacus is not known.
Source: No Name Movie Blog

Trouble in the Ranks

It comes as no surprise that the Romans might be facing trouble from their neighbours, but the years 419-418 BCE hold not just trouble without but disagreements between the military tribunes with consular power. How will Rome wrangle their own leaders into line? And will they be able to do it in time to win the day on the battlefield? We delve into the details.

Things to Listen Out For

  • The Aequians
  • Considerations of the Italic peoples
  • What did you say about the Capitol?
  • The Spartacan Revolt
  • Blasé Romans
  • The Tusculums
  • The Labicani
  • Coriolanus!

Our Players 419 BCE

Military Tribunes with Consular Power

  • Agrippa Menenius T. f. Agripp. N. Lanatus (Pat), previously consul in 439
  • Publius Lucretius Hosti f. – n. Tricipitinus (Pat)
  • Spurius Nautius Sp. f. Sp. n. Rutilus (Pat)
  • Gaius Servilius Q. f. C. n. Axilla (Pat), thought to be previously consul in 427

Our Players 418 BCE

Military Tribunes with Consular Power

  • Lucius Sergius C. f. C. n. Fidenas (Pat), previously consul in 437, 429; and previously military tribune with consular power in 433, 424
  • Marcus Papirius L. f. -. n. Mugillanus (Pat)
  • Gaius Servilius Q. f. C. n. Axilla (Pat), previously consul in 427, military tribune with consular power in the previous year 419

Dictator

  • Quintus Servilius P. f. Sp. n. Priscus Fidenas (Pat)

Master of the Horse

  • Gaius Servilius Q. f. C. n. Axilla (Pat) – upgraded from military tribune with consular power!

Censor

  • Lucius Papirius L. f. -. n. Mugillanus (Pat). Previously consul in 427 and military tribune with consular power 422.

Our Sources

Sound Credits

Our music was composed by Bettina Joy de Guzman. Sound effects are courtesy of BBC Beta.

A map showing regions south and east of Rome including a possible location for Labicum – just north east of Tusculum!
Other important sites include Tusculum in the Alban Hills to the south-east of Rome.
Image credits to ColdEel and Ahenobarbus. Source: Wikimedia Commons.

Automated Transcript

Lightly edited for clarity!

Dr Rad 0:12
Welcome to The Partial Historians.

Dr G 0:15
We explore all the details of ancient Rome.

Dr Rad 0:20
Everything from po...

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