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Greg Sterling, Mike Blumenthal & David Mihm
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06/27/24 • 46 min
Leadferno: a better tools to capture website leads -
Leadferno is a conversion platform designed to transform website visitors into leads through seamless communication tools. Unlike traditional chatbots, Leadferno leverages SMS to facilitate human conversations, which studies show is the preferred communication channel for most people. It’s floating CTAs (Call-to-Actions) on websites encourage visitors to start conversations via text messaging. This approach helps businesses engage more effectively with potential customers by providing a more responsive and preferred communication method.
Leadferno offers various tools, including an embeddable contact form that initiates SMS conversations, request call-back options, and links to other lead forms and scheduling tools. It attempts to make businesses easier to work with by enhancing their ability to convert website visitors into valuable leads through better communication options.
Google nuking GBP & Business Messaging costs small developers:
Google's recent decision to axe its business messaging tools—Google Business Profile Chat and Business Messenger— hits particularly hard for niche players like Leadferno, a company that had heavily invested in integrating these tools. The discontinuation forces smaller firms to reconsider future integrations with Google, given the considerable time and financial resources wasted—six months and approximately $100K, in Leadferno's case.
While it looks like Google will potentially integrate with WhatsApp or SMS, which could partially mitigate the blow for some businesses. However, for many, the sudden shift means lost opportunities and the need to reallocate development efforts. The most affected were businesses with significant Google Business Profile visibility and multi-location operations, which benefited from centralized messaging and automated replies. These features allowed for quicker customer interactions, a critical factor in Google's ranking algorithms.
Google’s decision, like so many similar ones it has made in the past, leaves smaller, innovative companies grappling with the fallout, forcing them to navigate the challenging landscape of constantly shifting tech ecosystems.
Leadferno Research: Small Business Contact Form Failures -
Leadferno documented the startling inefficiencies of small businesses in responding to online contact forms, a crucial channel for new customer acquisition. The research, encompassing 225 businesses across home services, professional services, and medical sectors, highlights a significant gap between customer inquiries and business responses.
Leadferno's Aaron Weiche and his team "mystery shopped" these businesses, submitting highly detailed and strong buying inquiries via their contact forms. The findings are staggering: almost 5% of forms were broken, failing to deliver customer messages entirely. More shockingly, only 15.6% of forms sent an auto-reply, a basic feature that acknowledges receipt and sets customer expectations.
The average response time to these contact form submissions was a lethargic 17 hours and 49 minutes, with professional services responding slightly faster than average, and healthcare lagging behind at over 19 hours. Yet, the most alarming statistic was that 42% of these forms received no response at all.
While small businesses consistently rank new customer acquisition as their top challenge, they are neglecting warm, ready-to-buy leads that land directly in their inboxes. This neglect is even more baffling given the simplicity of the solution: prompt and efficient responses to online inquiries.
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How on page factors & Google updates, Learnings from a G Quality Rater, What is the future of SEO?
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03/16/24 • 52 min
What on-page factors are associated with sites that see big gains or declines after Google updates?
Cyrus Shepard explains his recent research looking at correlations between a range of on page factors that might affect Google’s perception of your site and analyzes which factors were associated with increases or decreases in site visibility. Are stock photos a death knell? Are ads a deal breaker? Should contact information be on every page?
What Cyrus learned from being a Google Quality Rater?
It isn’t easy to become a quality rater. It is hard work and pays beans but someone had to do it, right? Cyrus jumped into the breach and from his experience explained how these guidelines should inform your site.
What is the future of SEO?
Things are changing fast. Ai is stealing eyeballs and impacting search results. How long does SEO have and should we all be looking for other jobs or will generative AI solutions to search just increase the opportunities? Will Google continue to be the main source for leads going forward?
The Near Memo is a weekly conversation about Search, Social, and Commerce: What happened, why it matters, and the implications for local businesses and national brands.
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How Local SEOs are using Gen AI & ChatGPT: Tips, tactics & strategies w/ Darren Shaw & Joy Hawkins
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07/20/24 • 46 min
In this extended episode of the Near Memo, Greg Sterling , Joy Hawkins, Darren Shaw & Mike Blumenthal explore the role of generative AI and how it has evolved one year after CHat GPT was released. We cover:
- Experiences and opinions on the use of AI tools like ChatGPT in SEO and content creation.
- The effectiveness of AI in different aspects of agency work, including creative tasks and data analysis.
- The influence of AI on the quality of content and the evolving nature of SEO strategies.
- Perspectives on the future impact of AI on the SEO industry and the role of agencies.
How Local SEO agencies use AI to improve client content:
- Content Creation Challenges with AI: Contrary to initial expectations, AI has not replaced content writers. While it is used for drafting and repurposing content, AI-generated articles often require extensive human editing, especially for factual accuracy and coherence.
- Content Refinement and Repurposing: AI excels in transforming existing content into different formats, like converting a list into a blog post or a blog into a script. This minimizes the editing work required.
- Efficiency in Post Creation: AI has been particularly effective in generating social media or Google posts, reducing the time and mental effort involved in content creation. This includes automating tasks like emoji placement in posts.
How Local SEO agencies explain AI to their clients:
- AI in Client Communication: Both Sterling Sky and Whitesoark are transparent with clients about their AI usage, addressing concerns about potential negative impacts on SEO performance. AI is presented as a tool for idea generation and preliminary drafting, not as a primary content creator.
- Client Engagement with AI: Clients are generally receptive and interested in AI's role in content creation. The emphasis is on AI as an assistant that complements human skills, ensuring quality and originality in content.
- Cost Implications: There have been no significant shifts in pricing structures due to AI efficiencies. The focus is on using AI to maintain or reduce costs rather than altering client fees.
Local SEO Agencies & their AI future:
- AI as a reporting super power: extracting meaningful insights from large data sets for clients.
- Long-Term Impact on Staffing and Skills: Agencies do not foresee AI replacing human staff. Instead, AI is viewed as a tool that enhances staff capabilities. Concerns about AI causing dependency or de-skilling are noted, but the overall sentiment is optimistic.
- Future of AI in Local SEO: AI is expected to lead to more efficient workflows and better quality content. Agencies anticipate a growing divide between those heavily reliant on AI and those favoring a balanced, human-centric approach. AI's role in data analysis and automating repetitive tasks is highlighted, enhancing both client service and internal processes.
- Experiences and opinions on the use of AI tools like ChatGPT in SEO and content creation.
- The effectiveness of AI in different aspects of agency work, including creative tasks and data analysis.
- The influence of AI on the quality of content and the evolving nature of SEO strategies.
- Perspectives on the future impact of AI
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Long tail searcher behaviors, Gemini switch appears, Content publishing being upended by search
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02/22/24 • 33 min
Long tail searcher behaviors: 10% of Discovery searches involve a brand search on Google:
In our most recent multi-location consumer Google search behavior research analyzing restaurant searches we saw roughly 10% of all searchers use the scrolling map for location precision and we saw an equal number of searchers do a local brand search as part of their discovery process. These brand searches seem to be either to better understand a location or to confirm their choice. Oftentimes it was a shorthand way for searchers to increase their confidence in the overall rating of a location without having to read the reviews.
Gemini search now a front and center toggle in the Google App:
The mobile Google App is now offering a toggle switch that allows users to easily compare traditional results with Gemini results. While search is the default, Gemini is readily available as an alternative choice. Gemini is more like the 10-blue links Google. The UI is cleaner and there's less "information clutter." It's not clear, however, that you can entirely trust Gemini. While interesting, it still seems to be more of a positioning ploy vis a vis ChatGPT and their recently announced search engine than a real alternative to search.
Content publishing being upended by search - Can it change?
Recent tales of Reddit content outraninking original content seems to belie Google’s stated intent of the Helpful Content Update showing smaller sites that demonstrate EEAT with real world experience and a singular point of view. While some are optimistic that new developments in Google AI will fix the results, the way that the algo works might doom it to a loop of brand mediocrity.
The Near Memo is a weekly conversation about Search, Social, and Commerce: What happened, why it matters, and the implications for local businesses and national brands.
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Walmart does drones, GML: AI, automation & images are future, Local inventory ad unit mimics 3-pack
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05/27/22 • 25 min
Walmart announced that they were rolling out drone delivery in 6 states this week, offering upto 100,000 picked in the local store. Meanwhile Gorrila (Europe’s largest food delivery company announced massive layoffs and UberEats continued to struggle to find a profitable path forward. Walmart’s many rural & suburban stores gives them a unique advantage in driving their own, same day delivery service. Interestingly Amazon’s drone work seems to have stalled.
Google is moving full steam ahead on a vision of search and advertising that includes an ever increasing amount of AI driven automation and an ever increasing amount of images and other visuals in the search results. They noted at the GML event that “we're transforming the SERPS into an endless stream of visual ideas”. Google sees automated retail ads and local as their path to compet with Amazon
Google testing new Local inventory ad unit that looks like the 3-pack
The Near Memo is a weekly conversation about Search, Social, and Commerce: What happened, why it matters, and the implications for local businesses and national brands.
Near Memo Ep 66
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Google’s Euro DMA Headaches, GBP Local Chaos AND Uncharacteristic Google Comms & AI Search Futures
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04/03/25 • 35 min
In this milestone 200th episode, the NearMemo crew unpacks Google’s mounting regulatory woes in Europe, including fresh scrutiny under the Digital Markets Act. Mike breaks down a storm of GBP bugs and business suspensions and ponders the fact that Google is actually admitting to them.. Greg steers the convo into the evolving future of search—where AI, chat interfaces, and user expectations are reshaping everything. From legal battles to UI battles, it’s clear: the search landscape is shifting fast.
00:00 Celebrating the 200th Episode (sort of)
01:23 Europe to Google: Play Fair or Pay Up
13:48 Google’s GBP Meltdown: Bugs, Delays & Suspensions—Oh My! And They Admit It!
21:42 The Future of Search: Bing’s Chance, Google’s Dilemma, and the Chat UX Revolution
Takeaways
- David discusses his recent trip to Europe and the implications of the Digital Markets Act (DMA).
- The DMA aims to create a fairer digital market, particularly regarding Google's self-preferencing practices.
- There is a lack of awareness among marketers in Europe about the DMA and its potential impact.
- AI overviews from Google may fall under the DMA's regulations due to their proprietary nature.
- The conversation highlights the need for businesses to adapt to changes in search interfaces driven by AI.
- Google's current challenges with Business Profiles are causing significant issues for businesses.
- Google, in uncharacteristic fashion actually admitted to these problems. Is this a new, more transparent Google or just a temporary change because so much has gone so wrong in such a short time.
- The hosts discuss the potential for Bing to innovate and capture market share in the evolving search landscape.
- Marketers should monitor traffic and visibility in AI platforms like ChatGPT and Copilot.
- The hype around AI in search is significant, but its impact on traffic is still developing.
- The conversation emphasizes the need for marketers to stay informed and adapt to rapid changes in the digital marketing environment.
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Apple Expands Business Connect, Which Directories Matter?, SEMrush Acquires Search Engine Land
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10/18/24 • 26 min
Apple Expands Business Connect Beyond Brick-and-Mortar:
It was announced that Apple Business Connect will now include a broader range of businesses, such as e-commerce, work-from-home, and service-area businesses. Businesses will still undergo the Apple verification process but will benefit from a consistent brand presence across apps like Mail, Apple Pay and ultimately Messages. While non-brick-and-mortar businesses won't appear on Apple Maps, their verified logos will be visible in key Apple services like Siri and Spotlights, enhancing brand trust within the Apple ecosystem. This move strengthens Apple's position as a trusted platform for businesses and customers alike, despite some limitations for smaller agencies and vendors.
BrightLocal Study: Which Directories Matter?
A recent study by Bright Local revealed that while platforms like Yelp maintain a significant presence in Google search results, the majority of high-ranking directories are vertical-specific, varying by industry. Key directories such as ZocDoc for healthcare and TripAdvisor for hospitality were identified as essential for consumer engagement. The study emphasized the importance for businesses to focus on directories that are relevant to their specific verticals, rather than relying on broader platforms.
SEMrush Acquires Search Engine Land & Third Door Media:
The acquisition of Third Door Media, parent company of Search Engine Land and Martech World, by SEMrush was announced this week. The move has sparked concerns about the potential loss of independent industry voices, with fears that SEMrush may shift focus toward promotional content. However, some view the acquisition as a strategic decision, allowing SEMrush to capitalize on the domain authority of these platforms. It is expected that the move will enhance SEMrush’s reach, particularly among beginner and intermediate SEO users, while maintaining a balance between transactional and informational content.
The Near Memo is a weekly conversation about Search, Social, and Commerce: What happened, why it matters, and the implications for local businesses and national brands.
Ep 179
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Exploring Google’s DMA Compliance & User Search Behavior with Siinda’s Stephanie Verilhac
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12/20/24 • 34 min
Stephanie Verilhac of Siinda discusses the EU's Digital Markets Act (DMA) and its impact on search behavior. Siinda's research with Near Media showed Google's dominance persists despite compliance changes, with users favoring its ecosystem. Regional differences in search trends were highlighted, including Irish “near me” preferences, French brand loyalty, and Germans' ad clicks. Photos, reviews, and business websites play key roles in user decisions. Verilhac noted Google's partial adherence to the DMA and challenges for smaller businesses in competing with large aggregators. Future DMA updates and expanded research are expected.
In Episode 187 we interview guest Stephanie Verilhac of Siinda. Siinda is an industry association that brings together agencies and technology companies in the local search and “on demand” industry sectors. We explored the application of the EU's Digital Markets Act (DMA) and its effects on search behavior. Stephanie highlighted Siinda's role in supporting digital businesses across Europe and its interest in user responses to Google’s compliance measures.
We focused on joint Siinda/Near Media consumer behavior research, examining Google search results in Ireland, France, and Germany for kitchen remodeling services. While Google implemented changes to align with the DMA's anti-self-preferencing rules, the study revealed that user engagement overwhelmingly favored Google's own ecosystem, including its Local Pack and Maps. The newly introduced "Places Sites" module showed limited visibility and minimal clicks compared to Google's properties.
Stephanie emphasized notable regional differences: Irish users prioritized "near me" searches, French users leaned on brand recognition, and Germans showed a higher propensity to click ads. Cultural diversity across the EU proved significant in shaping search behavior. Photos and reviews emerged as key factors influencing decisions, with users frequently clicking through to business websites for final evaluations.
The conversation also touched on DMA compliance challenges, with Stephanie noting Google's approach often skirts full adherence. While ads are open to all businesses in theory, financial realities favor large aggregators over smaller players.
As the European Commission continues enforcing the DMA under its newly appointed leadership, Stephanie predicted more scrutiny on gatekeepers and potential updates in 2025. Siinda offers resources on their website, cinda.org, and plans to expand research to additional markets.
The Near Memo is a weekly conversation about Search, Social, and Commerce: What happened, why it matters, and the implications for local businesses and national brands.
EP 187 Near Memo
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Google Search Quality Declining?, Google Local Test & Self-preferencing, Shifting search behaviors
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06/23/22 • 32 min
There's a growing perception that Google is in decline or dying. In an article in the Atlantic, Charlie Warzel interviews Marie Haynes, Dannie Sullivan and Rand Fishkin to try to understand his growing dissatisfaction with Google’s results. Is it too commercial, too corporate or too sanitized? He is not sure but he does know its not what it used to be.
What would Google local search results look like if Google couldn't put the Local 3-Pack at the top of search results? A recently discovered test may give us a clue. New 'Local Cards' have appeared in organic results. They offer less information but still link to GBP pages, not local websites.Even if this test is abandoned, we need to be prepared for change in local SEO and local marketing if the anit-self-preferencing act passes Congress. .
There is growing anecdotal evidence that users are switching to alternative methods to discover local goods and services. Is GenZ ready to abandon Google? Have they already moved on to TikTok and Instagram? Google has lost other search battle before but have managed, by hook or by crook, to stay relevant.
The Near Memo is a weekly conversation about Search, Social, and Commerce: What happened, why it matters, and the implications for local businesses and national brands.
Near Memo Ep 70
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From Stars to Skepticism: How Reviews Evolved & Why Trust Is Declining - Sammy Paget Interview Part1
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04/10/25 • 29 min
01:59 Evolution of Consumer Review Behavior
05:03 Trust in Reviews: A Declining Trend
08:14 The Impact of Fake Reviews and AI
14:18 Alternative Review Platforms and Their Trustworthiness
19:30 Key Findings from the 15-Year Review Study
22:07 Best Practices for Review Solicitation
29:22 Consumer Expectations and Business Responses
In this episode, Greg Sterling, Mike Blumenthal, and guest Sammy Paget from BrightLocal dive deep into 15 years of consumer review research trends. Sammy shares insights from BrightLocal’s long-running consumer review survey, highlighting how online reviews have evolved from novelty to necessity in the purchase journey. But as the role of reviews has grown, so has consumer skepticism.
The trio discusses the sharp drop in review trust, the increasing sophistication of fake reviews—especially those powered by AI—and the paradox that while people trust reviews less, they still rely on them heavily. They also explore the growing use of alternative platforms like local news, YouTube, TikTok, and Reddit as sources of business recommendations. Plus, they examine generational behavior and cultural differences in review reading habits.
Whether you're a local business owner or just fascinated by how we evaluate things online, this segment is packed with context and conversation on how trust and behavior around reviews is shifting—and what that means moving forward.
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