
Gaining Clarity Through Pain with Joe Kaufman
05/05/22 • 46 min
What can we learn from pain? Many times the pain we endure comes from loss. This week, I sit down with my friend Joe Kaufman again to discuss how loss and pain can actually help us gain clarity. If we allow it, pain can help us live fuller lives because we come to terms with the reality that we have to (and we GET to) choose who we want to be and what we want to do with our time...while we still have it! Joe is a fount of wisdom and empathy, and this was such an encouraging conversation. Jump in!
Are you looking to gain clarity, confidence, and courage? Check out my book, "The Life You're Made For" for sale on my website.
Step into The Life You're Made For, I'm cheering you on!
heatherpenny.com
@heatherpennyphd
Music & Production by Jason Squires
What can we learn from pain? Many times the pain we endure comes from loss. This week, I sit down with my friend Joe Kaufman again to discuss how loss and pain can actually help us gain clarity. If we allow it, pain can help us live fuller lives because we come to terms with the reality that we have to (and we GET to) choose who we want to be and what we want to do with our time...while we still have it! Joe is a fount of wisdom and empathy, and this was such an encouraging conversation. Jump in!
Are you looking to gain clarity, confidence, and courage? Check out my book, "The Life You're Made For" for sale on my website.
Step into The Life You're Made For, I'm cheering you on!
heatherpenny.com
@heatherpennyphd
Music & Production by Jason Squires
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With over 30 years of working with people from diverse backgrounds, Dan brings a genuine passion and understanding of people and how they function together in teams. As a leadership coach and trusted advisor, Dan engages conversations with careful listening and thought-provoking questions which lead to new levels of awareness and clarity that move clients forward.
Step into The Life You're Made For, I'm cheering you on!
heatherpenny.com
@heatherpennyphd
Music & Production by Jason Squires
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Bonus Episode! Leading with Empathy and Grace with Joe Kaufman
After we wrapped our last episode, Joe Kaufman and I kept talking. It turned out to be so good that I started recording again! So here is a bonus episode where Joe and I talk about empathy, grace, leadership, writing books, and... dreaming up a collaboration. We get real and raw about these things, so buckle up!
Step into The Life You're Made For, I'm cheering you on!
heatherpenny.com
@heatherpennyphd
Music & Production by Jason Squires
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