
You can't find leadership in a book: Reflections of a leader with Leigh Martin
12/13/22 • 76 min
Some people talk the leadership talk. But when you lift the hood, there is misalignment with their say-do as they aren't walking the walk. In this episode, I interview my best friend of almost 50 years, Leigh Martin. Leigh and I lived, traveled, struggled, partied, and even fought together (stories for another episode!).
An authentic leader and individual with high values, Leigh walks the talk. He understands that leadership is not about title or degree. A master of storytelling to illustrate important points, Leigh provides several lessons that can help any leader, anywhere.
Pick up a copy of the #1 bestseller: Adaptive Intelligence: The Evolution of Emotional Intelligence Through the Proven Power of Behavior Science
The Behavioral Toolbox equips those charged with supporting behavior change in schools with practical applications of the science of human behavior for making a positive difference in the workplace. In this case, the classroom and school!
Be sure to subscribe to Dr. Paulie's Heart & Science YouTube channel for a variety of content related to behavior science and bringing out the best in yourself and others.
Some people talk the leadership talk. But when you lift the hood, there is misalignment with their say-do as they aren't walking the walk. In this episode, I interview my best friend of almost 50 years, Leigh Martin. Leigh and I lived, traveled, struggled, partied, and even fought together (stories for another episode!).
An authentic leader and individual with high values, Leigh walks the talk. He understands that leadership is not about title or degree. A master of storytelling to illustrate important points, Leigh provides several lessons that can help any leader, anywhere.
Pick up a copy of the #1 bestseller: Adaptive Intelligence: The Evolution of Emotional Intelligence Through the Proven Power of Behavior Science
The Behavioral Toolbox equips those charged with supporting behavior change in schools with practical applications of the science of human behavior for making a positive difference in the workplace. In this case, the classroom and school!
Be sure to subscribe to Dr. Paulie's Heart & Science YouTube channel for a variety of content related to behavior science and bringing out the best in yourself and others.
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An Intellectually Honest Discussion about Punishment and CESS
In the episode, David Roth and I tackle the very controversial and sensitive topic of punishment and CESS. It is broken down into 3 sections: pre-show monologue, full episode, and post-show discussion about the ABC video that highlighted the unethical use of CESS at the Judge Rotenberg Center. Please listen to the episode in its entirety as we spiral back to key points throughout. Opting to listen to just one section would be like reading a book, but starting with a chapter midway through! We encourage respectful and solution-oriented dialogue in the comments sections wherever this is posted.
Show notes:
- Link to Cicoria Podcast Session 10 with Pat Friman
- Link to David Roth’s Mindfulness talk at the Verbal Behavior Conference 2022
- (PDF) On Mindfulness: A Skinnerian Account
- (PDF) Skinnerian Reflections on Meditation, Mindfulness, and the Term "Skinnerian"
- (PDF) Two Definitions of Punishment
- ABC Video on CESS
Pick up a copy of the #1 bestseller: Adaptive Intelligence: The Evolution of Emotional Intelligence Through the Proven Power of Behavior Science
The Behavioral Toolbox equips those charged with supporting behavior change in schools with practical applications of the science of human behavior for making a positive difference in the workplace. In this case, the classroom and school!
Be sure to subscribe to Dr. Paulie's Heart & Science YouTube channel for a variety of content related to behavior science and bringing out the best in yourself and others.
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Reaching Results through Behavioral Leadership with Dr. John Austin
In this episode, Dr. John Austin and I talk behavior science, leadership, and practical approaches for improving climate, culture, and reaching results. Dr. Austin is an internationally recognized expert in providing behavior-based solutions to organizational challenges. He is the founder of Reaching Results, a consultancy for management, motivation, leadership, and safety. Dr. Austin was a Professor of Psychology at Western Michigan University. He has consulted with organizations for 20 years to improve productivity and safety in various industries. In addition, in the area of improving human performance, he has published nearly 100 articles and chapters, and delivered over 200 presentations at regional, national, and international conferences. He has published three books, Organizational Change, Handbook of Applied Behavior Analysis, and Mindfulness at Work.
Show Notes References:
- When They Win, You Win: Being a Great Manager Is Simpler Than You Think
- Dr. Austin's new website for ABA leaders
- Dr. Austin's website for professionals interested in improving safety
Info on Dr. Austin's courses and services is on both sites.
Pick up a copy of the #1 bestseller: Adaptive Intelligence: The Evolution of Emotional Intelligence Through the Proven Power of Behavior Science
The Behavioral Toolbox equips those charged with supporting behavior change in schools with practical applications of the science of human behavior for making a positive difference in the workplace. In this case, the classroom and school!
Be sure to subscribe to Dr. Paulie's Heart & Science YouTube channel for a variety of content related to behavior science and bringing out the best in yourself and others.
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