Build, Test, Scale, Repeat - With Hamlet Azarian | Episode 338

04/05/25 • 55 min

In this episode, I’m joined by Hamlet Azarian, a seasoned marketing executive with over 20 years of experience in scaling early-stage startups from ideation to success. Hamlet breaks down his data-driven approach to marketing, emphasizing the importance of multivariate testing, customer personas, and psychographics to deeply understand user needs.

We discuss actionable strategies, such as rapid testing of ideas through prototypes and landing pages, and leveraging tools like Hotjar and CallRail to optimize customer engagement. Hamlet also highlights the power of focusing on progress over perfection and shares insights from his journey of building an agency with a mission to educate and empower future marketers.

Whether you’re a creative professional, an entrepreneur, or simply curious about growth marketing, this episode is packed with insights to help you take your ideas to the next level.

Timestamps:

(00:00) - Introduction to Hamlet Azarian

(01:30) - Early-stage startup dynamics

(03:00) - Example: Scaling Camino Financial

(08:00) - Multivariate testing and audience targeting

(15:00) - Understanding customer personas and psychographics

(25:00) - Building marketing strategies through interviews

(32:50) - Optimizing landing pages and pre-launch campaigns

(38:20) - Growth mindset and startup culture

(50:30) - Tools and tech stack for data-driven marketing

(54:00) - Closing thoughts and action steps

Check out today's guest, Hamlet Azarian:

Hamlet's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/hamletazarian

Azarian Growth Agency's Website: https://azariangrowthagency.com/

Hamlet's Website: https://hamletazarian.com/

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Whether you’re a creative professional, an entrepreneur, or simply curious about growth marketing, this episode is packed with insights to help you take your ideas to the next level.

Timestamps:

(00:00) - Introduction to Hamlet Azarian

(01:30) - Early-stage startup dynamics

(03:00) - Example: Scaling Camino Financial

(08:00) - Multivariate testing and audience targeting

(15:00) - Understanding customer personas and psychographics

(25:00) - Building marketing strategies through interviews

(32:50) - Optimizing landing pages and pre-launch campaigns

(38:20) - Growth mindset and startup culture

(50:30) - Tools and tech stack for data-driven marketing

(54:00) - Closing thoughts and action steps

Check out today's guest, Hamlet Azarian:

Hamlet's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/hamletazarian

Azarian Growth Agency's Website: https://azariangrowthagency.com/

Hamlet's Website: https://hamletazarian.com/

Check out The Futur:

Website: https://www.thefutur.com/

Courses: https://www.thefutur.com/shop

Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/company/the-futur/

Podcasts: https://thefutur.com/podcast

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Check out Chris Do:

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Previous Episode

Empathy in Business: Nice or Necessary? - With Maria Ross | Episode 337

In this episode, I sit down with Maria Ross, an author, speaker, and empathy advocate, to explore the power of empathy in leadership, branding, and creative work. We unpack the two types of empathy—cognitive and affective—and how understanding them can transform relationships, client interactions, and even pricing strategies. Maria shares insights from her books, The Empathy Edge and The Empathy Dilemma, addressing misconceptions around empathy in business. We discuss how ego and insecurity can block empathy, the dangers of "empathy hijacking," and the balance between compassion and high performance. Whether you're a leader, entrepreneur, or creative professional, this episode is packed with practical strategies to integrate empathy into your work without burning out.

Timestamps:

(00:00) - Introduction to Maria Ross

(00:33) - Maria’s background in branding and empathy advocacy

(01:49) - Why empathy matters for small teams and solopreneurs

(02:14) - The business case for empathy in leadership

(07:13) - Why creatives struggle with empathy

(09:03) - The two types of empathy: cognitive vs. affective

(13:33) - Ego and insecurity as empathy blockers

(20:04) - The problem with "radical honesty" and weaponized empathy

(29:07) - How to respond empathetically without "hijacking" the conversation

(36:41) - The power of curiosity in empathy

(40:15) - Empathy in pricing: charging based on client impact

(50:13) - Leadership challenges: balancing empathy and performance

(57:22) - How to build an empathetic workplace culture

(59:10) - Where to find Maria and her books

Check out today's guest, Maria Ross:

Maria's book website: https://theempathydilemma.com/

Maria's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mariajross

Maria's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/redslicemaria

Check out The Futur:

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Next Episode

The Truth About Niching Down - With Chris Do | Episode 339

In this episode, I challenge the common belief that you need to niche down to succeed. Many creatives look at artists like Post Malone, who seamlessly transitions across genres, and assume they can do the same. But the reality is, these people mastered one thing before expanding. I discuss why copying someone’s success without understanding their journey is a mistake and why intentional practice and depth of knowledge are key. We explore the concept of the T-shaped skill set, the risks of diversifying too soon, and how social media growth favors consistency. If you’ve ever struggled with whether to specialize or go broad, this episode is for you.

Timestamps:

(00:00) - The problem with copying success

(00:39) - Post Malone’s career evolution

(02:12) - Why success leaves clues

(03:35) - Finding your starting point

(04:17) - The power of deep expertise

(05:00) - Social media and consistency

(06:15) - The restaurant analogy for niching

(07:01) - Outro and call to action

Check out The Futur:

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