
65: Useful Violence with Dr. Anat Ben-Yonatan (S7)
04/10/23 • 49 min
Episode 2 of Series 7: Animals and The Divine Transcript
I'm talking to Anat Ben-Yonatan, a researcher at Tel Aviv University whose research is as fascinating as it is disturbing. But don't let that scare you away, We won't be going into any detailed descriptions of violence, but we are talking about animal slaughter for the purposes of kosher eating. However this research is less about what happens to the animals and more about the psychology and the place in Jewish society for the slaughterers themselves.
Guest: Anat Ben-Yonatan is a social-sciences informed human-animal scholar and a Research Fellow at the "Coller-Menmon Program for Animal Rights and Welfare" in the Buchmann Faculty of Law, Tel Aviv University. She is the co-founder and a steering committee member of both the human-animal connections forum and of the community for human-animal studies (HASI) under the auspices of the Israeli Anthropological Association, which she also co-chairs since February 2022.
Anat's Doctoral dissertation delved into the life and work of Jewish Israeli Shochtim (slaughterers), in which she looked, among other things, into their attitudes and feelings, as well as their moral schema in concern with shechitah (slaughter).
Anat's main research interest include various forms of interspecies violence, with emphasis on legitimized versus non-legitimized violence of humans against nonhuman animals; and "the save movement" with its educational programs as possible paths to cope with these violent phenomena.
Latest publications:
Ben-Yonatan A. “The knife needs the intention of the heart” The construction of ethnic and moral boundaries in Israeli slaughterhouses. Ethnicities. April 2022. doi:10.1177/14687968221093715
Anat Ben-Yonatan (2022) “Yesterday You Slaughtered Animals, Today You Pity Them”: Ambivalence and Resolution Among Jewish Israeli Slaughterers, Anthrozoös, 35:3, 355-370, DOI: 10.1080/08927936.2021.1996023
Hirsch-Matsioulas, O., Ben-Yonatan, A., Chen, L., Sadetzki, Y., & Shir-Vertesh, D. (2022). Human-Animal Studies in Israel: A Field in the Making, Society & Animals (published online ahead of print 2022). doi: https://doi.org/10.1163/15685306-bja10095
Book Recommendation: Dominion: The Power of Man, the Suffering of Animals, and the Call to Mercy by Mathew Scully
Host: Marika completed her MA in Anthrozoology at the
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Episode 2 of Series 7: Animals and The Divine Transcript
I'm talking to Anat Ben-Yonatan, a researcher at Tel Aviv University whose research is as fascinating as it is disturbing. But don't let that scare you away, We won't be going into any detailed descriptions of violence, but we are talking about animal slaughter for the purposes of kosher eating. However this research is less about what happens to the animals and more about the psychology and the place in Jewish society for the slaughterers themselves.
Guest: Anat Ben-Yonatan is a social-sciences informed human-animal scholar and a Research Fellow at the "Coller-Menmon Program for Animal Rights and Welfare" in the Buchmann Faculty of Law, Tel Aviv University. She is the co-founder and a steering committee member of both the human-animal connections forum and of the community for human-animal studies (HASI) under the auspices of the Israeli Anthropological Association, which she also co-chairs since February 2022.
Anat's Doctoral dissertation delved into the life and work of Jewish Israeli Shochtim (slaughterers), in which she looked, among other things, into their attitudes and feelings, as well as their moral schema in concern with shechitah (slaughter).
Anat's main research interest include various forms of interspecies violence, with emphasis on legitimized versus non-legitimized violence of humans against nonhuman animals; and "the save movement" with its educational programs as possible paths to cope with these violent phenomena.
Latest publications:
Ben-Yonatan A. “The knife needs the intention of the heart” The construction of ethnic and moral boundaries in Israeli slaughterhouses. Ethnicities. April 2022. doi:10.1177/14687968221093715
Anat Ben-Yonatan (2022) “Yesterday You Slaughtered Animals, Today You Pity Them”: Ambivalence and Resolution Among Jewish Israeli Slaughterers, Anthrozoös, 35:3, 355-370, DOI: 10.1080/08927936.2021.1996023
Hirsch-Matsioulas, O., Ben-Yonatan, A., Chen, L., Sadetzki, Y., & Shir-Vertesh, D. (2022). Human-Animal Studies in Israel: A Field in the Making, Society & Animals (published online ahead of print 2022). doi: https://doi.org/10.1163/15685306-bja10095
Book Recommendation: Dominion: The Power of Man, the Suffering of Animals, and the Call to Mercy by Mathew Scully
Host: Marika completed her MA in Anthrozoology at the
Read the Blog! (Guest profiles, book recommendations, trailers and more!)
What to start your own podcast in he Animal Advocacy or Animal Welfare Space? Check out my Podcast Mentoring Services!
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64: Animals in World Religions with Author, Dr. Lisa Kemmerer (S7)
Episode 1 of Series 7: Animals and the Divine Transcript
Dr Lisa Kemmerer shares with us the role of animals in a wide range of religions. From deities, tricksters, shapeshifters, emblems and mora agents. Animals are truly one thing that all belief systems have in common. We discuss the value of indigenous teachings and reciprocity and Lisa gives insight into how to write about religion as an outsider as well as how to engage with your own religion. She also gives us some exclusive insights into her upcoming website.
Guest: Internationally known for her work in animal ethics, Dr. Lisa Kemmerer is the founder of the educational, vegan umbrella organization, Tapestry. With a Master of Theological Studies in Comparative Religions (Harvard) and a Ph.D. in philosophy (specializing in animal ethics at Glasgow University, in Scotland), Kemmerer taught for 20 years at the university level. She has written more than 100 articles/anthology chapters and 10 books, including In Search of Consistency, Animals and World Religions, Sister Species, and Eating Earth. Dr. K retired in July of 2020 to become a full-time social justice activist with Tapestry.
Book Recommendation: Vegan Ethics: AMORE—Five Reasons to Choose Vegan by Dr. Lisa Kemmerer
Host: Marika completed her MA in Anthrozoology at the University of Exeter, UK in 2016 and upon moving back to the Seattle area of Washington state she joined the board of Homeward Pet Adoption Center. She also holds a University degree in Zoology (UW) and a CPDT-KA from the Certification Council for Professional Dog Trainers.
Now, host of The Deal with Animals, she enjoys chatting with people who know a lot more than she does about the various research disciplines of Anthrozoology as well as authors, nonprofits, professionals, and enthusiasts!
Credits: The Deal With Animals is hosted by Marika. Music was composed by Kai Strandskov. Editing for this episode by Marika Bell
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