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23. The decisive heart-searching is the beginning of a human way | with Mayke Vullings
Tankespjärn with Helena Roth
09/28/21 • 100 min
Inner work.
Do you do it?
If so, who, within you, is the one who does it?
Say whuuuut, you might ask, but bear with me a moment.
When I realized I had an Inner Dictator, or rather, that the internal voice most prevalent in my inner dialogue was this Dictator... I also learned that I didn’t have to take these words as truth. That was when I started on the journey of learning how to do gentle with myself.
Because of that, I stopped being afraid of myself, stopped shying away from looking too deep within, for fear of what I might find, and started to meet people, truly meet them, as I was more curious about what might happen within me as a result of the connection, rather than be fearful of it.
I’ve recently understood how fortunate I was that these two insights hooked up, when I saw what might have happened had I not stopped being so harsh with myself, if I’d stayed there, instead of gone down the path to doing gentle (with an edge).
I think this is why this made such an impact when I read it:
”The decisive heart-searching is the beginning of the way in man's life; it is, again & again, the beginning of a human way. But heart-searching is decisive only if it leads to the way. For there is a sterile kind of heart-searching, which leads to nothing but self-torture, despair & still deeper enmeshment.”
It’s a paragraph from The Way of Man by Martin Buber, a book I’d just read when me and Mayke had our fifth pod-conversation. It turned into the center point of our conversation, as I was reminded of this over and over again as we spoke, to the extent that in the end I ran to fetch it, to read this passage aloud.
Both me and Mayke are very fond of doing The Work, inspired by Byron Katie’s terminology, and in no way do I want to muddy the waters for anyone. Doing my inner work has gotten me to a place, a space, where I absolutely love living life as me. If I hadn’t done the work, I doubt I’d say that. But it’s equally true that if I’d kept at The Work without learning how to do gentle with myself, I can guarantee I’d not be here, loving living life as we, not even close.
So, when doing inner work, ask yourself who, within me, is doing the work? Through who's eye-balls am I seeing this?
It matters. A lot.
Asking yourself these questions provides an interesting starting point for continues inner work, because different aspects of me will see different things, some of which might serve me more than others.
Now, there’s some tankespjärn for you!
Links:
The Way of Man by Martin Buber
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30. The everyday creativity of music, coaching and meandering | with Andy Mort
Tankespjärn with Helena Roth
11/16/21 • 76 min
Caspian found Andy for me. I’d asked him to find some Instagram-accounts that might be of interest for me to follow and interact with, but he gave me a few bonuses. One of them was Andy, where he wrote ’Not an IG acc either, but a well worth read and possible friend’ adding a link to a piece entitled Gentleness is strength.
I read it, loved it, and proceeded to find Andy on Twitter (he does have an IG-account too). Really enjoying what I saw and heard from him, I sent him a DM, and two months later we recorded a conversation for his pod, and we both knew that wasn’t the last conversation we’d be having.
When season two rolled around, I asked, he said yes, and here’s our first in this series of five meandering conversations. And we dive straight into the creativity of everyday life. Andy is bubbling as thirteen songs had just come to him.
That’s never ever happened to me (I’ve had a heck of a lot of blog posts come that way though), so I just cannot help myself. Having a genuine songwriter and musician in front of me (on Zoom), I get to ask all the questions I’ve always wanted to ask, about what writing songs really means, how it’s done (or, at least, how Andy does it), and it’s fascinating.
Lo and behold, no one will be surprised to hear that songwriting was just the first of a number of meanders that we engaged in, including coaching, relationships (or relating, with a nod to Reddy), personal development or expansion, even though I don’t think we ever used those words.
But there’s more.
Books. Rereading books, and why that is such a fascinating concept. You know. You read a book and love it, and come across it years later, rereading it... and perhaps think What on earth was I thinking? This is utter rubbish! or you go even deeper in understanding, loving it even more. Both of these reactions (and any other reaction possible) is a testament to growth. Development. Expansion. Shifting, as a human being, with other perspectives, insights, experiences. All of it impacts and/or influences how I meet the world (and myself!) and rereading books is such a fun mirror of this process.
Coaching, marketing, desire and wants leading us to whole body yeses and no’s... Yeah, you’ll be able to find some tankespjärn in this one for sure!
Links:
Tankespjärn (with Helena Roth) on The Gentle Rebel podcast
Anderson .Paak & The Free Nationals on Tiny Desk
Diana Chapman on the Tim Ferriss Show
Find me as @helenaroth on Goodpods and start to engage please!
Capitalism and Desire: The Psychic Cost of Free Markets by Todd McGowan
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26. Spending magical spaces of time with people you love | with Frank, Mayke and Beverly
Tankespjärn with Helena Roth
10/19/21 • 115 min
Approaching the end of my 5 x 5 conversations for this season of ’Tankespjärn with Helena Roth’ I get the idea to do a joint conversation with everyone involved, as a way to share and reflect together on what this experience has been like. I invited Caspian Almerud to moderate, and for those who haven’t figured it out, without Caspian there would be no pod! I record conversations, check for snippets and write the episode descriptions, and he does everything else.
With seven people spread across the globe, finding one time that suited us all turned out to be impossible. So we divided it up, into a 3 + 2-set up, where this is the first, featuring me and Caspian in conversation with Mayke Vullings, Frank Ebbert and Beverly Delidow.
I'm so blessed to spend time with people who nourish me with the beauty of words, the beauty of phrases, the beauty of silence.
~Helena
I got teary-eyed more than once, or... who am I kidding?
Four, five times at least, having to snivel and dry my eyes, in awe of what I heard, felt, saw.
You have to trust the person you're interacting with. I do.
And then you have to trust yourself, which is sometimes the bigger question.
~Beverly
Creating space for the other to hear themselves.
~Mayke
Let the world be beautiful and me be within.
~Frank
During this conversation I receive an insight.
These conversations have played a bigger part of my life in the past six months, then I’ve previously been aware of. Sitting like this, reflecting and listening together, I realize I’ve been having five times the amount of conversations as the others. Five long meandering conversations with each of five most remarkable persons. That’s twenty-five conversations, none shorter than one hour twenty minutes, the longest two hours fifty, and then... going through each transcript, listening to the snippets from each, and writing an episode description. All adding to the time I’ve spent on this. I’ve immersed myself in this project for at least one hundred hours in the past six months. And that’s probably cutting it short. Say two hundred? Perhaps even more...
No wonder!
How could something so immersive not have an impact on me?
An impact that ripples out into all other areas of my life.
There has been magic in all of these conversations. That's sort of what ties them together.
~ Caspian
It sure is.
And what a lovely common thread, magic.
Now there’s some tankespjärn for you. Perhaps?
How can you invite more magic into your life?
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14. Daring to be vulnerable on record | with Alison Coates
Tankespjärn with Helena Roth
07/26/21 • 107 min
In a (non-recorded) conversation with Alison, she mentioned how uncomfortable she was with being recorded, having our conversations ”put out there” in the world. At the time, I asked if we could have this discussion on the pod.
So. We did. That’s where we started off this time, and I have to say, I am honored to have a friend like Alison. Willing to dive deep, to open up, and me getting surprisingly emotional in tears now and again.
(My kids lovingly tease me about how easily moved to tears I am, all they have to do is put on a video or two from Britain’s Got Talent, and my tears are in free-fall! But not to worry about me, I see this as a very positive trait of mine.)
When I decided to start this pod-series, Alison was the first person I asked to join me. I was fairly certain she’d turn me down, and was very surprised at her immediate yes. Right off the bat.
If Alison had asked me to stop recording, or even take down the episodes out there, or not to keep on sharing the material I’ve got from the published episodes. I would have. Not happily. But I would have. My friendship with her is more important to me, even though, the value that I get from these conversations is undoubtedly also of value to others. But not to the extent that it surpasses the value I place on our friendship.
Being able to have a conversation like this, about being recorded and going public, while actually being recorded was special. Very special. A testament to the trust we have in each other. And to the level of trust we have in ourselves. Or don’t have? Is it this latter facet that is at the root of how comfortable, or uncomfortable, a person is with being visible?
If I’d asked you, to join me in a recorded meandering conversation like this one, what would your answer be? A yes? A Hell yes, even? Or a big fat No way?
I hope you are as curious as I am as to what your response would be!
Now. There’s some tankespjärn for you.
Links:
Episode 9 Questioning the shortage of housing with Alison Coates
Book tip: Arnold Mindell, The deep democracy of open forums
On Being-episode with Michelle Alexander: Who we want to become, beyond the new Jim Crow
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03. I'm not enough
Tankespjärn with Helena Roth
11/22/22 • 4 min
First published on my blog on January 10, 2017. Read the post here →
The feeling that I’m not enough. That no matter how hard I try, how hard I work, I will never be able to do enough, never able to do all that which I feel I should be doing. The frustration of not being able to make a difference, the difference I should make.
It’s not a feeling that I experience often anymore.
I used to. A lot. I had so many thoughts about what I should be doing, how I should be doing it, how fast it should be done and so on, infinitely. Know that feeling? Are you there? Or have been there?
I think a lot of us know that feeling. That’s what I perceive at least, looking at the world around me. Listening to friends and family, seeing their struggles with not being enough, never being enough. And I have to say... it really makes me question the way we’ve shaped society. Because I have a hard time to see how this serves anyone, let alone all of us collectively. I mean, you can argue that it makes people put their best effort to whatever it is they are involved in. But I honestly think it costs more than we get. The energy drained is more than what’s generated from those efforts, performed under stress, duress, unhappiness.
I, for one, know that when I stopped engaging so much with that type of thought/feeling, all of a sudden, I had so much more energy! The energy I used in beating myself up for not being enough, all of a sudden could be utilized for much more contructive things. I had energy to spare, to engage myself, to activate myself, to take better care of myself, to interact with the world around me in the way I want to show up in the world.
I am not enough.
It’s a thought. And perhaps, at times, it’s fact. That’s true. But I do believe, more often it’s an opinion. And as such, it’s worthwhile asking yourself How does this serve me? Asking that question might help you see the opinion for what it is, and realize that you have a choice in whether or not to engage in it, or not. Where’s your energy best spent, I ask? Beating yourself up for not being enough, or for more constructive things?
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22. Recognising humanity in others by finding it in ourselves | with Beverly Delidow
Tankespjärn with Helena Roth
09/20/21 • 88 min
Oh.
Part of the process of releasing these podcast episodes, has me reading through the transcript of the conversation, picking out short parts that Caspian will then turn into raw snippets, that I listen to and verify their title, before he brands them.
Optimally, I do this just before I sit down to write the episode description, as it brings the conversation fresh into my mind, and that’s precisely where I am at right now.
And as I listened to Beverly musing on belief-systems, finding your own values, and recognizing humanity in self and others, I... had to listen again, and again. Finding it such an insightful and important musing on being, and becoming, human, that I wonder if this might be the snippet amongst snippets, my favorite from all the snippets from all the episodes.
What brought us to this piece of the meandering conversation was Beverly telling me of a course on professionalism she’s developing for med(icine) students. I read a tweet how med students seem to lack humanity, what are they actually taught during med school that takes it out of them? or something of the sort. This is the opposite of what my mom, an MD, specialized as a general practitioner, has heard from her patients throughout her career. Possibly on account of her going into medicine after already having gone to university obtaining a teachers degree, and working for a decade or so. Somehow, from the very beginning, this has given her an advantage over many med students who come to the profession straight out of school/college. And I think humanity might be the secret ingredient here. My mom had already lived life, had gotten a degree, married, had two kids, divorced before she went to med school. From that starting point, she met her patients.
Beverly says They need to find a center for themselves. In order to recognize humanity in others, they have to recognize it in themselves.
Yes.
Valid for future physicians for sure.
But more than that, right?
I mean, is there anyone, regardless what they do for a living, who would not be served by finding that center within themselves? That center where your values reside, enabling you to put words to them. Values are visible by how you are in the world, how you show up, but I don’t have to go further than to myself, to know that I’ve not always been in touch with them enough to be able to name them.
There's plenty of tankespjärn for all to be had here!
Links:
Episode 20 with Gary on connection
The promise of a pencil by Adam Braun
The OnBeing episode I mentioned I’m not sure I found, but here’s two that are good and point to the same thing, the second possibly being ”the one":
https://onbeing.org/programs/sarah-bassin-and-abdullah-antepli-holy-envy-feb2018/
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02. Slowing down to the speed of life
Tankespjärn with Helena Roth
11/19/22 • 6 min
First published on my blog on August 19, 2020. Read the post here →
I turn off Spotify.
The pipes leading to the heaters gargle a bit, and a car drives by on the residential road outside. And there’s another one, farther away, on one of the larger streets a block or two away. My 16-year old son Benjamin semi-shouts Hey, hey upstairs, ensconced in his room, involved in a Valorant online-tournament with some friends, online-friends.
Car.
Another car.
And this ringing noise, slightly whining... is it but a figment of my imagination? Or perhaps, the residue of noise from just before, ruffling the sensory hairs in my ear canals, generating a high-pitched, yet more grass-rustling-in-the-wind-like noise.
I hear myself, breathing out. Breathing out again, and then, there, an even softer exhalation.
Benjamin scrapes his chair against the floor, which just so happens to be my ceiling, as he’s upstairs, and I am downstairs.
He laughs and yammers away, as I raise my head, looking out the window right in front of me, a head-movement accompanied by a crack in my neck, oops, another car on the street just outside the other window, the one to my right.
I’m sitting at the dining room table, the only table around, the kitchen too small for a kitchen table.
Look up again, another crack, but softer, more of a crick.
I inhale long, and deep, exhaling even longer.
In October of 2015, I went for a walk in the recreational park just across the street. It was a walk that etched itself deeply into my memories, as, for the first time, I s a w. I was more fully present to the beauty surrounding us, surrounding me, than I’d ever been before.
I don’t think I’ve ever experienced the beauty of fall as I am this year. And I don’t think fall has gotten more beautiful – I think the change is in me. I’ve never been so aware, never taken the time, to look, to see the colors, the contrast, the smell, the vibrancy. The energy!
Looking up once more, and yes, you know it, another crack.
It’s like an undulating wave, this paying attention and noticing. Now and again, I am at the peak of the undulation, totally present, attentive, noticing. Now and again, I am at the very bottom, lost to the world, nowhere close to the here and now. Most of the time, in movement along those undulations, headed towards attentiveness, or towards not-presenceness (a habit of mine. I make up words. Sometimes really good ones. Not sure this one qualifies though).
I started to slow down to the speed of life in 2013, perhaps even more so in 2014, and have kept on with that practice ever since. And I see now, as I sit here, that ringing tone still present within me, starting to believe it’s not within me after all, but something you might also hear, if you were here, sitting opposite me at the table, that me slowing down, simultaneously made me level up in the art of noticing and paying attention. Within, as well as without.
And I love it.
But, without a doubt, there’s a lot more attention- and noticing-powers within me, so I am upping the ante, willing myself to play around with this for the next few days (and... hopefully, forever and ever!).
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68. Who do I want to be in this world? | with Luke Aymon
Tankespjärn with Helena Roth
08/09/22 • 103 min
“I am responsible for me and my actions.
You are responsible for you and your actions.” ~ Helena
What would it be like if there was more of this in the world?
No more You make me [fill in the blank]... (Or less of it, at least.)
More I get [fill in the blank] when... instead.
Where [fill in the blank] might be angry, happy, sad, upset, elated, excited, triggered.
The latter provides a space for my beloved mellanrum, i.e. Swedish for ‘the space in between’. The room to pause, sense into, act rather than react.
There’s a next level available too, where There is [fill in the blank] when... becomes possible. Giving even more room to disengage, or, perhaps more an opportunity to not identify so strongly to whatever wants to happen in the moment. To let there be Anger. Happiness. Sadness or Upset. Elation, Excitement, Triggering. Desire, Chock or Fear.
“All emotions are players on a stage, and a story without a villain is kind of a boring story, isn't it? And if it's all villains, it's not fun either.” ~ Luke
All of them welcome. All of them valid. In the appropriate context, and it’s all about context! If emotions weren’t vilified, or ridiculed, belittled, or even worse, shamed, would it be easier to dance with them then? Would it be easier to take responsibility for my experience, and honor my boundaries with greater ease if I simultaneously own what I feel while not identifying as what I feel?
“Who do I want to be? What's the culture, what's the quality of the engagement and the connection? What do I want to foster? What do I want to see more of in the world?
Yes! Be that thing.” ~ Helena
Who do you want to be?
Luke echoed me after my rant, repeating the question back to me... and reflecting on this our third conversation, the difference between Being and Doing makes itself known to me. ‘Who do you want to be?’ is the question, not ‘What do you want to do?’.
Perhaps that tankespjärn can be your companion for the day? Or maybe you’ll find another one, while listening!
Links:
Find Luke Aymon on Twitter
Spökguiden with Jacques Schultze
First episode with Luke where we spoke about gaming
Ain’t it awful, from Eric Berne’s book ‘Games people play’
Deep Dive with Eyal Shay, podcast episode with Rachel Clifton
Tankespjärn on Patreon – join us for equally rich conversations on a monthly basis
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Reflection: What we focus on becomes our reality
Tankespjärn with Helena Roth
04/08/21 • 4 min
First published on my blog on November 9th, 2016: https://tankespjarn.com/what-we-focus-on-becomes-our-reality/
Website: https://helenaroth.com/
Instagram: https://instagram.com/helenaroth
FB: https://www.facebook.com/HelenaRothChangeAgent
Audio production: Caspian Almerud
Photography: Anders Roos http://www.andersroos.nu/
Soundtrack: Olof Jennfors Ljudtjänst http://jennforsljud.se/
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42. Am I being me in every inner season? | with Steve Emery
Tankespjärn with Helena Roth
02/08/22 • 77 min
I’m so miserable when I’m in my head, Steve says, after we’ve spent some time speaking about the fascinating aspect of wintering, which also happen to be the name of a book by Katherine May, a book I highly recommend you read/listen to. Surprisingly, this is one of those audiobooks I’ve not only listened to with great enjoyment, but actually relistened to. (Have not been a big fan of audiobooks as a way for me to read, but have found a few that I truly enjoy listening to, so warming to the concept. And am an absolute fan of everyone finding whatever works for them!)
Wintering makes me feel held, recognizing myself in the manyfold stories of periods of personal winters, which may or may not fall in the physical winter period. So when I hear Steve share about two distinct different cycles he’s discovered in his life, I give him a bit of tankespjärn. What if... there’s no fixing to be done? What if these two different ways of being are simply natural cycles of (his) life? What if life isn't supposed to be 'the same' all year round? Maybe we need the cycle of forgetting, wintering, re-remembering, getting re-energized? I wonder if next time one of these in my head-cycles roll around for him, if the experience might be different? Perhaps. Perhaps not.
I know I am far from dependable when it comes to putting insights into action. Which is funny, as me being 'The Dependable One' for clients, family, friends is one of the meanders we stroll past in this, our third conversation. Turns out being dependable to others also means I am not dependable to me, habituated to put others ahead of myself and my needs.
My recent period of wintering, which has coincided with the actual winter, is one where the consequences of not caring for myself enough has become apparent in how little creative output I’ve had in the past months. I have a number of blog posts I... arghhh, I even struggle writing want to write there, feels much more like a should. Which might well be one reason why I’ve been procrastinating. Which, incidentally, is a concept I am warming to, more and more. It’s a very clear signal, and boy do I ever need clarity in signal-strength, helping me to get it, whatever it happens to be in the moment.
The Dependable-insight popped during a therapy session, followed by a question that I had no answer to. A void opened up, as I sat with it, and even now, I still don’t know the answer to it. Who am I, if I am not The Dependable one?
This, and much more in this conversation where I am certain you there will be some tankespjärn or two for you.
Links:
Steve Emery is most easily found on Color Sweet Tooth
Wintering by Katherine May
Living beautifully by Pema Chödrön
The year of bubbles for Helena
The Creative Community both me and Steve are a part of
Six Drawing Lessons by William Kentridge, and the first lesson on YouTube (to get you started)
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