
Don’t Wait Until It’s Convenient | Sean Ellis (Dad of 2, Author, Advisor, Founder, Growth Phenom)
10/03/24 • 56 min
Sean Ellis is a growth legend and the creator of the term “growth hacker.” He has built a legendary framework (the “Sean Ellis test”) for determining product/market fit, wrote the original book on Growth (“Hacking Growth), and has founded several companies along with working at or advising companies like LogMeIn, Dropbox, Eventbrite, Bounce and more. In addition to his role as the Godfather of Growth he’s also a husband and the father of two adult children.
Maintaining strong relationships with your daughters during the tumultuous teenage years and into their 20’s
Sean’s philosophy on not waiting until it’s convenient
Navigating big challenges with kids—from autoimmune disorders to depression
Balancing the approach between letting kids figure stuff out on their own vs. jumping in to help them
When to push and when to back off
Sean’s meteoric rise as a CEO and head coach of a youth soccer team
Some controversial approaches that worked for his family
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Where to find Sean Ellis
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/seanellis/
X: https://twitter.com/SeanEllis
Sean’s Newsletter: https://substack.com/@seanellis
Where to find Adam Fishman
FishmanAF Newsletter: www.FishmanAFNewsletter.com
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/adamjfishman/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/startupdadpod/
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In this episode, we cover:
[2:05] Welcome
[2:42] Sean’s professional background
[7:49] Childhood
[9:13] How Sean met his wife; all about their kids?
[11:18] Are 20 year olds “kids”?
[12:00] Decision to start a family
[13:01] Earliest memory of becoming a Dad
[15:31] Maintaining relationship w/daughters into adulthood
[20:55] Surprising thing you learned as a Dad?
[22:28] Advice for younger Sean
[23:41] Shared advice to friends
[25:31] Balancing parenting techniques
[30:20] Did the kids come back home while working?
[31:54] Sean the soccer coach
[37:05] Parenting style evolution
[41:41] Where Sean and his wife don’t align on parenting
[43:36] Kid’s relationship with technology
[45:36] What he gave up to become a dad?
[47:24] Mistakes he made as a dad?
[49:10] Where to follow along
[49:55] What inspired you to write again?
[52:00] Lightning Round
[55:38] Thank you
—
Show references:
LogMeIn: https://www.logmein.com/
Dropbox: https://www.dropbox.com/
Eventbrite: https://www.eventbrite.com/
Bounce: https://usebounce.com/
UC Berkeley: https://www.berkeley.edu/
UCLA: https://www.ucla.edu/
Breathalyzer: https://www.amazon.com/BACtrack-Breathalyzer-Professional-Grade-Smartphone-Connectivity/dp/B079XXNBF3/ref=zg_bs_g_15992781_d_sccl_1/143-4646178-9363038?psc=1
Vuori: https://vuoriclothing.com/
Anastasia: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118617/
National Lampoon’s European Vacation :https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0089670/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1
—
For sponsorship inquiries email: [email protected].
For Startup Dad Merch: www.startupdadshop.com
Production support for Startup Dad is provided by Tommy Harron at http://www.armaziproductions.com/
This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit startupdadpod.substack.com
Sean Ellis is a growth legend and the creator of the term “growth hacker.” He has built a legendary framework (the “Sean Ellis test”) for determining product/market fit, wrote the original book on Growth (“Hacking Growth), and has founded several companies along with working at or advising companies like LogMeIn, Dropbox, Eventbrite, Bounce and more. In addition to his role as the Godfather of Growth he’s also a husband and the father of two adult children.
Maintaining strong relationships with your daughters during the tumultuous teenage years and into their 20’s
Sean’s philosophy on not waiting until it’s convenient
Navigating big challenges with kids—from autoimmune disorders to depression
Balancing the approach between letting kids figure stuff out on their own vs. jumping in to help them
When to push and when to back off
Sean’s meteoric rise as a CEO and head coach of a youth soccer team
Some controversial approaches that worked for his family
—
Where to find Sean Ellis
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/seanellis/
X: https://twitter.com/SeanEllis
Sean’s Newsletter: https://substack.com/@seanellis
Where to find Adam Fishman
FishmanAF Newsletter: www.FishmanAFNewsletter.com
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/adamjfishman/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/startupdadpod/
—
In this episode, we cover:
[2:05] Welcome
[2:42] Sean’s professional background
[7:49] Childhood
[9:13] How Sean met his wife; all about their kids?
[11:18] Are 20 year olds “kids”?
[12:00] Decision to start a family
[13:01] Earliest memory of becoming a Dad
[15:31] Maintaining relationship w/daughters into adulthood
[20:55] Surprising thing you learned as a Dad?
[22:28] Advice for younger Sean
[23:41] Shared advice to friends
[25:31] Balancing parenting techniques
[30:20] Did the kids come back home while working?
[31:54] Sean the soccer coach
[37:05] Parenting style evolution
[41:41] Where Sean and his wife don’t align on parenting
[43:36] Kid’s relationship with technology
[45:36] What he gave up to become a dad?
[47:24] Mistakes he made as a dad?
[49:10] Where to follow along
[49:55] What inspired you to write again?
[52:00] Lightning Round
[55:38] Thank you
—
Show references:
LogMeIn: https://www.logmein.com/
Dropbox: https://www.dropbox.com/
Eventbrite: https://www.eventbrite.com/
Bounce: https://usebounce.com/
UC Berkeley: https://www.berkeley.edu/
UCLA: https://www.ucla.edu/
Breathalyzer: https://www.amazon.com/BACtrack-Breathalyzer-Professional-Grade-Smartphone-Connectivity/dp/B079XXNBF3/ref=zg_bs_g_15992781_d_sccl_1/143-4646178-9363038?psc=1
Vuori: https://vuoriclothing.com/
Anastasia: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118617/
National Lampoon’s European Vacation :https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0089670/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1
—
For sponsorship inquiries email: [email protected].
For Startup Dad Merch: www.startupdadshop.com
Production support for Startup Dad is provided by Tommy Harron at http://www.armaziproductions.com/
This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit startupdadpod.substack.com
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The Historical Changes Happening To Fatherhood Right Now | Dan Doty (Dad of 3, Fatherhood Unlocked)
Dan Doty is the founder of Fatherhood Unlocked – a company that is helping Dads win at work, build deeper family connections and thrive in relationships. He’s also a writer, wilderness guide and has been an inner city high school teacher. Through his work Dan is at the forefront of the global men’s movement to help Dads be better at all aspects of life. His most recent project, Fatherhood Ready, is a course and community that helps prepare men for fatherhood. He’s also a husband and the father of three kids! In our conversation today we discussed:
The exciting and historical changes in the role of fatherhood
Why the role of fatherhood is changing
The differences between how we were raised by our fathers and how they were raised by theirs
The transition into fatherhood as a rite of passage
Parenting in the time of great technical and societal change
All about Fatherhood Ready and what it means to prepare for fatherhood
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Where to find Dan Doty
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dan-doty-18a50719/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/fatherhoodunlocked/
Fatherhood Unlocked: https://www.fatherhoodunlocked.com/
Where to find Adam Fishman
FishmanAF Newsletter: www.FishmanAFNewsletter.com
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/adamjfishman/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/startupdadpod/
—
In this episode, we cover:
[1:48] Welcome
[2:10] Dan’s Professional background
[4:24] Most surprising aspect of your work?
[6;38] Childhood and destiny
[9:58] Balancing of bonding & wilderness
[12:03] Dan’s life now
[14:20] Their decision to start a family
[20:24] What is driving this historical change?
[23:08] Dan’s wife as a spiritual guide and intuitive
[25:14] Sense of “fit”
[26:52] Earliest memory of becoming a dad
[29:09] Differences in emotion from kid to kid
[30:29] Rite of passage into fatherhood
[35:37] Advice to younger Dan
[37:48] Advice to ignore?
[38:37] Fav book to read to kids?
[40:34] Frameworks
[43:46] Area where you and partner don’t align?
[44:26] Role of fatherhood in this time?
[48:16] What’d he give up to be a father?
[50:25] How does he recharge his batteries?
[52:00] Mistake as a father?
[54:04] How does he recover when losing his temper?
[57:07] Where to find Dan
[58:53] Lightning round
[1:01:11] Thank you
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Show references:
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/fatherhoodunlocked/
Fatherhood Unlocked: https://www.fatherhoodunlocked.com/
Fatherhood Ready: https://www.fatherhoodready.com/
Meat Eater: https://www.netflix.com/title/80126646
Evryman: https://evryman.com/
RIchard Reeves: https://richardvreeves.com/
REI: https://www.rei.com/
Match.com: match.com
Anthony Bourdain: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Bourdain
0.0 Productions: https://zeropointzero.com/
Will To Change by Bell Hooks: https://bellhooksbooks.com/product/the-will-to-change/
Jason Mraz: https://jasonmraz.com/
Martha’s Vineyard: https://www.mvy.com/
Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs: https://www.simplypsychology.org/maslow.html
Moana: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3521164/
Princess Bride: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093779/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_0_tt_8_nm_0_in_0_q_the%2520princess%2520bride
Maine: https://www.maine.gov/portal/index.html
—
For sponsorship inquiries email: [email protected].
For Startup Dad Merch: www.startupdadshop.com
Production support for Startup Dad is provided by Tommy Harron at http://www.armaziproductions.com/
This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit startupdadpod.substack.com
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Leveraging FOMO to be Present and Purposeful | Michael Perry (Dad of 2, Founder and CEO, Maple)
Michael Perry is a serial founder and entrepreneur. He is currently the founder and CEO of Maple, an all-in-one app that helps parents get and stay organized. Prior to Maple he founded Live For Fame, Giving and Kit which he led for 6 years before selling to Shopify and then continuing with them for another four years. He was early in the leveraging AI to transform marketing for small businesses. Michael is also a husband and the father of two children. In our conversation today we discussed:
Remote work as a founder and parent
His thoughts on Amazon’s return-to-work policies
The feelings that arose for him when becoming a father
Advice he’d give his younger self
Decision-making frameworks to make the best use of his time
What it means to leverage FOMO to be present and purposeful
How having kids changed him as a founder and a manager
The relationship he wants his kids to have with technology
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Where to find Michael Perry
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mlperry/
X: https://twitter.com/michaelperry
Maple: https://growmaple.com/
Where to find Adam Fishman
FishmanAF Newsletter: www.FishmanAFNewsletter.com
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/adamjfishman/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/startupdadpod/
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In this episode, we cover:
[1:43] Welcome Michael
[2:33] Professional background
[13:51] Maple
[23:01] How he met partner and their decision to have kids
[28:29] IVF journey
[32:57] Earliest memory of becoming a dad
[36:53] FOMO
[40:37] Amazon’s return to office policy
[46:51] Frameworks
[51:17] Area where you and partner don’t align?
[55:07] Kids' relationship to technology?
[1:02:06] Where to follow along with Michael’s journey
[1:03:18] Lightning round
[1:08:32] Thank you
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Show references:
Vimeo: https://vimeo.com/
Flickr: https://www.flickr.com/
Kickstarter: https://www.kickstarter.com/
Shopify: https://www.shopify.com/
Etsy: https://www.etsy.com/?ref=lgo
BigCommerce: https://www.bigcommerce.com/
Madison, Maine: https://www.madisonmaine.com/
Santa Barbara, CA: https://santabarbaraca.com/
IVF: https://www.mayoclinic.org/tests-procedures/in-vitro-fertilization/about/pac-20384716
Snoo: https://www.amazon.com/SNOO-Smart-Sleeper-Happiest-Baby/dp/B0716KN18Z
Frozen: https://frozen.disney.com/
Spiderman and his Amazing Friends: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0083481/
Star Wars: https://www.starwars.com/
—
For sponsorship inquiries email: [email protected].
For Startup Dad Merch: www.startupdadshop.com
Production support for Startup Dad is provided by Tommy Harron at http://www.armaziproductions.com/
This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit startupdadpod.substack.com
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