
Saving lives through the power of an online legal community with Kate Briscoe
11/01/21 • 71 min
In episode no. 67 I speak with Kate Briscoe, of LegalBeagles. The discussion covers:
- how Kate’s inability to get a job played a part in starting LegalBeagles;
- how LegalBeagles works today;
- the large numbers of threads and visitors to the site;
- the emerging areas of law covered by LegalBeagles;
- who the volunteers are, what training they undertake to assist on the platform and why Kate thinks they contribute;
- how LegalBeagles is filling a gap and providing assistance that isn’t being provided anywhere else including from the funded Citizens Advice Bureau;
- LegalBeagles’ governance structure and relationship with professional legal regulation;
- Kate’s views on how a lot of innovation initiatives put the “cart before the horse”;
- the many reasons it may not be appropriate to go to a lawyer;
- how machine learning is drawing on LegalBeagles’ employment law data to provide instant responses;
- various set-backs LegalBeagles has experienced including loss of a major partner;
- Kate’s thoughts on the role of the legal profession in addressing the justice crisis;
- sources of monetisation and sustainability of the platform;
- where legal consumers actually go for legal help and how they know who to trust;
- the link between litigation, health and justice;
- how the model is saving lives; and
- Kate’s definition of legal innovation.
Proudly sponsored by Neota Logic
Links:
- LegalBeagles
- JustBeagle
- SRA | Solicitors Regulation Authority
- Neota Logic's App Gallery
- Neota Logic
- Churchill Trust project
Andrea Perry-Petersen – LinkedIn - Twitter @winkiepp – andreaperrypetersen.com.au
Twitter - @ReimaginingJ
Facebook – Reimagining Justice group
In episode no. 67 I speak with Kate Briscoe, of LegalBeagles. The discussion covers:
- how Kate’s inability to get a job played a part in starting LegalBeagles;
- how LegalBeagles works today;
- the large numbers of threads and visitors to the site;
- the emerging areas of law covered by LegalBeagles;
- who the volunteers are, what training they undertake to assist on the platform and why Kate thinks they contribute;
- how LegalBeagles is filling a gap and providing assistance that isn’t being provided anywhere else including from the funded Citizens Advice Bureau;
- LegalBeagles’ governance structure and relationship with professional legal regulation;
- Kate’s views on how a lot of innovation initiatives put the “cart before the horse”;
- the many reasons it may not be appropriate to go to a lawyer;
- how machine learning is drawing on LegalBeagles’ employment law data to provide instant responses;
- various set-backs LegalBeagles has experienced including loss of a major partner;
- Kate’s thoughts on the role of the legal profession in addressing the justice crisis;
- sources of monetisation and sustainability of the platform;
- where legal consumers actually go for legal help and how they know who to trust;
- the link between litigation, health and justice;
- how the model is saving lives; and
- Kate’s definition of legal innovation.
Proudly sponsored by Neota Logic
Links:
- LegalBeagles
- JustBeagle
- SRA | Solicitors Regulation Authority
- Neota Logic's App Gallery
- Neota Logic
- Churchill Trust project
Andrea Perry-Petersen – LinkedIn - Twitter @winkiepp – andreaperrypetersen.com.au
Twitter - @ReimaginingJ
Facebook – Reimagining Justice group
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Self-representation and AI-enabled “trial playbooks” with Sonja Ebron
In episode no. 66, I speak with Sonja Ebron, founder of Courtroom5. The discussion covers:
- Sonja’s personal experience as a litigant and how that relates to her work today;
- The types of matters Courtroom5 is best (and not!) suited to, who and how it assists;
- How the patterns in the law support AI, and how that fast-tracks self-represented litigants’ understanding of their matters;
- The factors for litigants to do best using Courtroom5;
- The tools Courtroom5 employs to alleviate emotional distress;
- The importance of support during litigation and how Courtroom5 provides that;
- What a “trial playbook” is;
- How Courtroom5 engages with courts and legal assistance organisations;
- Judges’ bias against self-represented litigants???
- The structure and composition of Courtroom5’s team;
- Why Courtroom5 constantly seeks customer feedback;
- Key factors that drive development of the product; The biggest change since Courtroom5 commenced in 2017;
- Who are the unexpected users of Courtroom5;
- What has given the company “the biggest boost”;
- How Courtroom5 address the challenges of keeping information up to date;
- What keeps the founders working on such an intractable problem; and
- Sonja’s definition of legal innovation.
Proudly sponsored by Neota Logic
Links:
Andrea Perry-Petersen – LinkedIn - Twitter @winkiepp – andreaperrypetersen.com.au
Twitter - @ReimaginingJ
Facebook – Reimagining Justice group
Next Episode

Automation to augmentation: from lawyers acting as modems and machines as judges with Pia Andrews
In episode no. 68 my guest is serial public sector transformer, Pia Andrews. We discuss:
- how her pursuit of “truth” led her to the open-source movement and working in policy development;
- how technological tools relate to our quality of life;
- ‘open source’ – its philosophy and implementation and the idea of “clever hacks”;
- how ‘rules as code’ addresses issues with enforcing regulation;
- prescriptive and principles-based rules and when each are appropriate;
- the connection between the cost of implementing regulation and its effectiveness;
- how an API for prescriptive rules relating to anti-money laundering and counter-terrorism funding could have saved one bank $16M per year!;
- how ‘rules as code’ make compliance more transparent by allowing for modelling, and how this could increase accountability of the public sector;
- how current policy creation is insufficient and requires input from community and an example from France which incorporated co-design of policy;
- Taiwan’s response to the introduction of Uber!
- the importance of multidisciplinary teams in developing policy and how ‘rules as code’ facilities doing so in real time;
- how ‘rules as code’ improves trust and compliance with administrative law and shifts the onus to government;
- different public sector approaches to the “new normal”;
- how the relationship between the public sector and its government drives outcomes;
- whether a public sector should serve – the government, parliament or the people?
- 3 things necessary to create an environment for innovation and solving wicked problems;
- the connection between capacity and innovation, and Pia’s ideas about how to increase civic participation through a “civic gap year” and “policy difference engine”; and of course
- Pia’s definition of legal innovation.
Proudly sponsored by Neota Logic
Links:
- Linux Home
- TedX multipotentialite Emilie Wapnick: Why some of us don't have one true calling | TED Talk
- Docassemble
- Legislation as Code and better rules
- Building a trustworthy public sector with trust infrastructure
- Neota Logic's App Gallery
- Neota Logic
- Churchill Trust project
Andrea Perry-Petersen – LinkedIn - Twitter @winkiepp – andreaperrypetersen.com.au
Twitter - @ReimaginingJ
Facebook – Reimagining Justice group
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