
A year in review: 3 things I learned about legal innovation with host, Andrea Perry-Petersen
12/04/21 • 19 min
In episode no. 69, I reflect on the podcast over the past 12 months and since it began. I share:
- statistics about Reimagining Justice (downloads, topics, guests and listeners);
- the most downloaded episodes this year and since the podcast began;
- an excerpt from Episode 66 with founder Courtroom5 Sonja Ebron;
- characteristics of (award-winning) justice innovators; and
- 3 things I learned about legal innovation this year.
Proudly sponsored by Neota Logic.
Links:
- Neota Logic's App Gallery
- Neota Logic
- Churchill Trust project
- QLS Innovation report
- Top Australian law podcasts
Andrea Perry-Petersen – LinkedIn - Twitter @winkiepp – andreaperrypetersen.com.au
Twitter - @ReimaginingJ
Facebook – Reimagining Justice group
In episode no. 69, I reflect on the podcast over the past 12 months and since it began. I share:
- statistics about Reimagining Justice (downloads, topics, guests and listeners);
- the most downloaded episodes this year and since the podcast began;
- an excerpt from Episode 66 with founder Courtroom5 Sonja Ebron;
- characteristics of (award-winning) justice innovators; and
- 3 things I learned about legal innovation this year.
Proudly sponsored by Neota Logic.
Links:
- Neota Logic's App Gallery
- Neota Logic
- Churchill Trust project
- QLS Innovation report
- Top Australian law podcasts
Andrea Perry-Petersen – LinkedIn - Twitter @winkiepp – andreaperrypetersen.com.au
Twitter - @ReimaginingJ
Facebook – Reimagining Justice group
Previous Episode

Automation to augmentation: from lawyers acting as modems and machines as judges with Pia Andrews
In episode no. 68 my guest is serial public sector transformer, Pia Andrews. We discuss:
- how her pursuit of “truth” led her to the open-source movement and working in policy development;
- how technological tools relate to our quality of life;
- ‘open source’ – its philosophy and implementation and the idea of “clever hacks”;
- how ‘rules as code’ addresses issues with enforcing regulation;
- prescriptive and principles-based rules and when each are appropriate;
- the connection between the cost of implementing regulation and its effectiveness;
- how an API for prescriptive rules relating to anti-money laundering and counter-terrorism funding could have saved one bank $16M per year!;
- how ‘rules as code’ make compliance more transparent by allowing for modelling, and how this could increase accountability of the public sector;
- how current policy creation is insufficient and requires input from community and an example from France which incorporated co-design of policy;
- Taiwan’s response to the introduction of Uber!
- the importance of multidisciplinary teams in developing policy and how ‘rules as code’ facilities doing so in real time;
- how ‘rules as code’ improves trust and compliance with administrative law and shifts the onus to government;
- different public sector approaches to the “new normal”;
- how the relationship between the public sector and its government drives outcomes;
- whether a public sector should serve – the government, parliament or the people?
- 3 things necessary to create an environment for innovation and solving wicked problems;
- the connection between capacity and innovation, and Pia’s ideas about how to increase civic participation through a “civic gap year” and “policy difference engine”; and of course
- Pia’s definition of legal innovation.
Proudly sponsored by Neota Logic
Links:
- Linux Home
- TedX multipotentialite Emilie Wapnick: Why some of us don't have one true calling | TED Talk
- Docassemble
- Legislation as Code and better rules
- Building a trustworthy public sector with trust infrastructure
- Neota Logic's App Gallery
- Neota Logic
- Churchill Trust project
Andrea Perry-Petersen – LinkedIn - Twitter @winkiepp – andreaperrypetersen.com.au
Twitter - @ReimaginingJ
Facebook – Reimagining Justice group
Next Episode

‘Law for the Lay, a new game to play’ with Clarissa Campbell
In episode no. 70 my guest is lawyer, creator and producer of social project ‘Law for the Lay’, Clarissa Campbell. We discuss:
- The project she began in 2019 to share the law with everyday people;
- What happened that prompted her to actually start the project;
- How her personal and professional background influences her approach;
- Her unique style using play and humour to share legal information;
- How she chooses the topics that she covers;
- Her legal and branding concerns relating to ‘Law for the Lay’;
- How she selected which social media platform to use, and the challenge of staying up to date with how algorithms work;
- What a “Lawfluencer” is;
- Research she’s done for the project which shocked her;
- Topics that have received unusual responses and how she handles those challenges;
- The level of technical support she receives and how she manages her time;
- Things she’s working to improve about her communication;
- Other ways in which citizens’ legal awareness could be increased;
- How acting on our own ‘agency’ and unique skills can assist others;
- Given it is open to interpretation, I had to ask about her choice of name for the project;
- Covid interruptions and future plans; and
- Clarissa’s definition of legal innovation.
Proudly sponsored by Neota Logic
Links:
- ‘Law for the Lay’ Clarissa (@lawforthelay)
- Saga Land
- Overland Track
- Neota Logic Solution Gallery
- Neota Logic
- Churchill Trust Project
Andrea Perry-Petersen – LinkedIn - Twitter @winkiepp – andreaperrypetersen.com.au
Twitter - @ReimaginingJ
Facebook – Reimagining Justice group
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