
Getting Over Zero-Download Days
03/23/22 • 4 min
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I was told early on, “Don’t look at your downloads.”
Guess what? I looked at my downloads.
If I had zero downloads, I would still enjoy hosting my podcast.
To which a friend responded, “Then why do you bother editing?”
Touché. Good friends keep you honest, even if they’re a pain in the ass.
Ashley Carman wrote a very interesting article in Verge entitled, “How SiriusXM Bought and Bungled a Beloved Podcast Network: SiriusXM leapt into podcasts with a $325 million deal — insiders say it’s off to a messy start.”
Here’s Ashley’s tweet: https://twitter.com/ashleyrcarman/status/1506284893474537479
What do you think?
Is it getting harder to garner support and care?
Do your downloads define your success?
With the number of podcasts still growing, including those hosted by celebrities, it feels harder to get noticed.
But are we really competing against them?
I will never compete with Matthew freakin’ McConaughey.
While it can happen, most independent podcasters are a long way off from signing with a major podcast network.
Until you get there, be creative as hell. Niche down if you have to. Lean into you.
With the ups and downs of podcasting, it’s okay to cry on a friend’s shoulder, as needed. Or on the collective shoulder of podcasters that you don’t know.
Buck's tweet: https://twitter.com/2ndFiddles/status/1506372607704195081
I enjoyed reading all the replies to Buck’s tweet. Podcasters are pretty awesome.
Advice from Apple:What’s the best way to make your way on and up the charts? Make an incredible show that is unmissable for listeners!Try your best to not focus on downloads. Redirect your attention to your craft.
Big opportunities abound for podcasters, including new ones, to grow a loyal audience. Even small podcasts can be monetized.
I’ve been at this for over 4 years and have only just begun to focus on growth and monetization.
Hopefully, this old dog can learn new tricks. I plan to share tests and outcomes here.
I’d love to hear what you are doing.
Have a growth hack to share?
Are you making money from your podcast?
Leave a comment, please.
P.S. Make a sad happy by downloading Second Fiddles wherever you get podcasts.
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I was told early on, “Don’t look at your downloads.”
Guess what? I looked at my downloads.
If I had zero downloads, I would still enjoy hosting my podcast.
To which a friend responded, “Then why do you bother editing?”
Touché. Good friends keep you honest, even if they’re a pain in the ass.
Ashley Carman wrote a very interesting article in Verge entitled, “How SiriusXM Bought and Bungled a Beloved Podcast Network: SiriusXM leapt into podcasts with a $325 million deal — insiders say it’s off to a messy start.”
Here’s Ashley’s tweet: https://twitter.com/ashleyrcarman/status/1506284893474537479
What do you think?
Is it getting harder to garner support and care?
Do your downloads define your success?
With the number of podcasts still growing, including those hosted by celebrities, it feels harder to get noticed.
But are we really competing against them?
I will never compete with Matthew freakin’ McConaughey.
While it can happen, most independent podcasters are a long way off from signing with a major podcast network.
Until you get there, be creative as hell. Niche down if you have to. Lean into you.
With the ups and downs of podcasting, it’s okay to cry on a friend’s shoulder, as needed. Or on the collective shoulder of podcasters that you don’t know.
Buck's tweet: https://twitter.com/2ndFiddles/status/1506372607704195081
I enjoyed reading all the replies to Buck’s tweet. Podcasters are pretty awesome.
Advice from Apple:What’s the best way to make your way on and up the charts? Make an incredible show that is unmissable for listeners!Try your best to not focus on downloads. Redirect your attention to your craft.
Big opportunities abound for podcasters, including new ones, to grow a loyal audience. Even small podcasts can be monetized.
I’ve been at this for over 4 years and have only just begun to focus on growth and monetization.
Hopefully, this old dog can learn new tricks. I plan to share tests and outcomes here.
I’d love to hear what you are doing.
Have a growth hack to share?
Are you making money from your podcast?
Leave a comment, please.
P.S. Make a sad happy by downloading Second Fiddles wherever you get podcasts.
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Indie Podcasters Need More Money Too
Happiness is not in the mere possession of money; it lies in the joy of achievement, in the thrill of the creative effort.– Franklin D. Roosevelt
I read an article in the New York Times, “Surrounded by Big Tech, Small Podcast Shops Swim With Sharks.” The subheading reads, “Independent companies like Prologue Projects, Campside Media and Rococo Punch try different strategies in a market roiled by Silicon Valley and Hollywood.”
The first subject is Leon Neyfakh’s podcast production company, Prologue Projects, and how it needed to seek new funding for its fifth season of “Fiasco” after not getting renewed by Luminary.
The good news is that big tech companies like Amazon, Spotify, Apple and SiriusXM have spent billions in recent years acquiring or developing podcasts.
Here’s the bad news.
“Even if one isn’t swallowed by a bigger fish, the competition for advertisers — critical sources of revenue for many independent podcasters — has intensified as the platforms leverage advanced technology and user bases in the tens or hundreds of millions. Additionally, the sheer volume of new podcasts (Spotify alone now has nearly four million, up from 500,000 in 2019) has made it increasingly challenging to attract and keep audiences.”
Spoiler alert: After considering free, ad-supported, or paywalled models, Neyfakh pivoted “Fiasco” to Audible where the new season will premiere on March 24 as an Audible exclusive.
Wanting to learn more, I read Leon’s tweets.
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Wow, $250,000 for a podcast!
As independent podcasters, many of us are used to producing content on a shoestring budget. What’s your budget? Is it in the hundreds of dollars? Maybe, thousands? Sadly, most of us cannot pay ourselves.
Soraya, an NPR editor, weighed in and upped the ante.
Soraya makes good points.
If we are to normalize million-dollar shows, indie podcasters need to step up too. We will need to get serious about monetizing so we can pay ourselves. If we build a great team, we need to pay them too.
Further, we can no longer focus solely on content creation. We must begin to treat our podcast as a business. That means reaching out to sponsors, considering crowdfunding on platforms like Patreon, and partnering with other independent podcasters.
Of course, it will vary depending on your show and audience. Think about what it may look like for your podcast.
It is time to go bigger.
Bigger episodes
Bigger collaborations
Bigger budgets
Make your podcast worthy of $1M.
What’s your budget for your podcast? What do you think about going bigger? Post a comment.
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How to Get Booked as a Guest on Podcasts
Today, I deleted 3,300 emails from my inbox. 5,748 unread messages stand between me and inbox zero. Oh dear.
I’ll come back to my disastrous inbox later, but first...
You want to grow your podcast, right?
Many podcast gurus say the best way to grow your podcast’s downloads is to guest on other podcasts. Why? Because you’re getting in front of listeners who already listen to podcasts.
Here’s where 2.4 million active podcasts in Apple Podcasts are a really good thing. Even if only 21% have published within the last 90 days, that leaves hundreds of thousands of podcast hosts eagerly looking for guests.
The challenge is they’re not looking for just any guest.
You’re going to have to pitch yourself to tell them why you’re a great guest.
One of the quickest places to start is a guest-host matching platform like Podmatch. Register for free and create a guest one-sheet.
The Podmatch algorithm will immediately start recommending podcasts for you based on your guest profile. You can send your pitch and when a host accepts, it can be scheduled within the platform. It’s that easy.
For a more targeted effort, I recommend using Listennotes or Podchaser to search for podcasts based on your podcast’s topic.
While you might be able to land a guest spot on The Tim Ferriss Show, your time would be better spent starting smaller.
Listennotes has a cool Listen Score (LS) that estimates the popularity of a podcast and a Global Rank that ranks the LS relative to the total podcast universe.
While you’re at it, it might be fun to look up your own podcast.
Remember that the score and rank are just an estimation, but they can serve as a handy guide. I suggest pitching top 10% shows, then 5%, then 1%, until you’re ready for Tim Ferriss.
Your pitch will be unique to you so I’m not going to tell you precisely how to pitch yourself.
Back to my inbox. I receive a ton of guest pitches — including lots of samples of which ones worked and those that didn’t.
In my experience, know the podcast you are going to pitch. After listening to several episodes, you’re ready. Make your pitch concise and to the point.
While every pitch will vary, here are the non-negotiables.
- Explain who you are
- Tell a great story about what makes you an interesting guest who is qualified to speak on the topic that you’ll bring
- Extra points for why you think it will be interesting to the podcast’s audience
- If you’ve been a guest on other podcasts, name drop
WHAT NOT TO DO
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Yes, a few weeks have passed, but my name is still not James!
Further, the pitch is so vague that I have no idea what her “unique insights” might be.
Too much effort to find out more. Next!
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Uh oh. Tough start.
I get these form letters a lot. This one got my name correct but forgot to fill in for Guest X.
I was always quick to eliminate resumes with glaring errors. I do the same with incoming pitches. Next!
THIS ONE WORKED
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Jim’s email is short and sweet.
He opened with who he is.
He piqued my interest because he got COVID and his business lost $400,000 in annual recurring revenue. Double ouch!
His story was not only topical, catching COVID during the height of the pandemic, but he’s got a comeback story!
The enclosed link to his blog post made it easy for me to learn more and check out his business.
In the end,
he was a great guest. Win-win.
If you want to guest on more podcasts this year (and you should,) make a list of 12 shows that you want to target.
Carefully craft your pitch.
While you’re doing your research, look at the guests who have appeared on those podcasts already. If you know any of them, ask for an introduction! That’s a sure-fire way to increase your chances.
Send out 12 pitches at a time.
Go out there and be a great guest.
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