
Is herd immunity really possible in light of the new evidence?
07/15/20 • 38 min
Stephen, Mark, and Matt's longest episode yet and NOT because we are getting long-winded! Lot's to cover this week: COVID cases rising but mortality rates decreasing, the effectivity of masks, airborne particles, horseshoe crabs, fall semester fears, smell checks vs. temperature checks, and distinguishing between science and para-science. Man alive! Enjoy this one!
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Check Out Stephen on Matt's "Living the Real" Podcast:
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Things Discussed on Episode:
- COVID-19 Cases Are Rising, So Why Are Deaths Flatlining? - https://bit.ly/2WncAh0
- Coronavirus FAQ: How Do I Protect Myself If The Coronavirus Can Linger In The Air? - https://n.pr/32ksLiF
- China Superspreader Gave COVID-19 to 71 People in a Single Elevator Trip - https://bit.ly/3j01ZSC
- A New Understanding of Herd Immunity - https://bit.ly/2Ce7hte
- New swine flu with 'pandemic potential' discovered in China - https://cnn.it/3eydm0O
- An Observational Cohort Study of Hydroxychloroquine and Azithromycin for COVID-19: (Can’t Get No) Satisfaction - https://bit.ly/2Os2Ihl
Stephen, Mark, and Matt's longest episode yet and NOT because we are getting long-winded! Lot's to cover this week: COVID cases rising but mortality rates decreasing, the effectivity of masks, airborne particles, horseshoe crabs, fall semester fears, smell checks vs. temperature checks, and distinguishing between science and para-science. Man alive! Enjoy this one!
We offer transcription now! Caution, it is AI transcription so please excuse AI errors.
Can you Rate and Give us a Review in Apple Podcasts?
- Pandemic on Apple Podcasts to leave a review: https://apple.co/37Yvnnk
Please consider supporting us to help upgrade our equipment and offload our editing responsibilities:
- Give monthly (as little as $5 a month) on our Patreon Page -https://www.patreon.com/pandemicpodcast
- Give a one time gift through Venmo at @mattboettger
- Give a one time gift through PayPal here: https://paypal.me/mattboettger
Check Out Stephen on Matt's "Living the Real" Podcast:
- Subscribe/Listen to Matt's Living the Real Podcast: https://bit.ly/3fyPIlx
- Download Matt's visual map of his conversation with Stephen here - http://livingthereal.com/stephenkissler
Things Discussed on Episode:
- COVID-19 Cases Are Rising, So Why Are Deaths Flatlining? - https://bit.ly/2WncAh0
- Coronavirus FAQ: How Do I Protect Myself If The Coronavirus Can Linger In The Air? - https://n.pr/32ksLiF
- China Superspreader Gave COVID-19 to 71 People in a Single Elevator Trip - https://bit.ly/3j01ZSC
- A New Understanding of Herd Immunity - https://bit.ly/2Ce7hte
- New swine flu with 'pandemic potential' discovered in China - https://cnn.it/3eydm0O
- An Observational Cohort Study of Hydroxychloroquine and Azithromycin for COVID-19: (Can’t Get No) Satisfaction - https://bit.ly/2Os2Ihl
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Para-Science vs Science: What's the Difference?
Stephen, Mark, and Matt's longest episode yet and NOT because we are getting long-winded! Lot's to cover this week: COVID cases rising but mortality rates decreasing, the effectivity of masks, airborne particles, horseshoe crabs, fall semester fears, smell checks vs. temperature checks, and distinguishing between science and para-science. Man alive! Enjoy this one!
We offer transcription now! Caution, it is AI transcription so please excuse AI errors.
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Please consider supporting us to help upgrade our equipment and offload our editing responsibilities:
- Give monthly (as little as $5 a month) on our Patreon Page -https://www.patreon.com/pandemicpodcast
- Give a one time gift through Venmo at @mattboettger
- Give a one time gift through PayPal here: https://paypal.me/mattboettger
Matt's Other "Living the Real" Podcast:
- Download Matt's FREE Quarterly Momentum Plan Template here.
- Subscribe to Matt's Living the Real Podcast: https://bit.ly/3fyPIlx
- Learn more about Matt's 3-M framework here: https://bit.ly/2UQIi59
Things Discussed on Episode:
- Covid-19 cases are rising, but deaths are falling - https://www.vox.com/2020/7/6/21314472/covid-19-coronavirus-us-cases-deaths-trends-wtf
- Hospitals Struggle to Contain Covid-19 Spread Inside Their Walls - https://on.wsj.com/2VYNhBz
- This striking science experiment shows the effectiveness of masks - https://bit.ly/2DoLS0H
- Hydroxychloroquine helped save coronavirus patients, study shows - https://fxn.ws/2ZSQdAC
- 239 scientists call on WHO to recognize coronavirus as airborne - https://bit.ly/2ZbAz4v
- Horseshoe crab blood is key to making a COVID-19 vaccine - https://on.natgeo.com/2ZTeWFd
- Fever checks are a flawed way to flag Covid-19 cases. Experts say smell tests might help - https://bit.ly/3feJt6L
- LOCKDOWN LUNACY: the thinking person's guide - https://bit.ly/2BalTJB
Next Episode

Will the vaccine be too risky, more herd immunity clarity, and looking for happiness in all the right places.
Matt circles back with Stephen on the herd immunity confusion, vaccine hope, and a few tips on how to stay happy and hopeful as we continue our physical distancing.
We offer transcription now! Caution, it is AI transcription so please excuse AI errors.
Can you Rate and Give us a Review in Apple Podcasts?
- Pandemic on Apple Podcasts to leave a review: https://apple.co/37Yvnnk
Please consider supporting us to help upgrade our equipment and offload our editing responsibilities:
- Give monthly (as little as $5 a month) on our Patreon Page -https://www.patreon.com/pandemicpodcast
- Give a one time gift through Venmo at @mattboettger
- Give a one time gift through PayPal here: https://paypal.me/mattboettger
Check Out Stephen on Matt's "Living the Real" Podcast:
- Subscribe/Listen to Matt's Living the Real Podcast: https://bit.ly/3fyPIlx
- Download Matt's visual map of his conversation with Stephen here - http://livingthereal.com/stephenkissler
- Listen to Matt's episode on building margin in your life here - https://bit.ly/2WIM4yr
Things Discussed on Episode:
- How Deadly Is Covid-19? Researchers Are Getting Closer to an Answer - https://on.wsj.com/2WM9QtC
- U.S. records over 1,000 coronavirus deaths in a single day for first time since early June - https://reut.rs/3joSpJc
- Covid Vaccine Front-Runner Is Months Ahead of Her Competition - https://bloom.bg/2CXvZxY
- Why those most at risk of COVID-19 are least likely to respond to a vaccine - https://on.natgeo.com/2CY5LeV
- Coronavirus hospital data will now be sent to Trump administration instead of CDC - https://cnn.it/2WMMzYn
- Covid-19 Infections on the Rise in Kids and Teens With School Approaching - https://bloom.bg/2ZOXGC0
- Why Some Young People Fear Social Isolation More Than COVID-19 - https://n.pr/2WPwn90
Pandemic: Coronavirus Edition - Is herd immunity really possible in light of the new evidence?
Transcript
[00:00:00] Matt Boettger: [00:00:00] You were listening to the Ben Demmick podcast. We equip you to live the most real life possible. And the face to these crises. My name is Matt and I am not joined with either my friends, dr. Steven Kissler and epidemiologist at the Harvard school of public health. Neither my join with dr. Mark Kissler, who was a doctor at university of Colorado hospital.
[00:00:17]we, had a tough time getting together this week. I am on a staycation,
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