
#30: "Us vs. Them" with Jay Van Bavel
02/01/21 • 31 min
Jay Van Bavel studies how our social identities shape the way we see ourselves and the people around us. He’s an associate professor of psychology at New York University. In an upcoming book, he and his colleague, Dominic Packer, present social identity theory. It’s a classic theory in social psychology that has inspired tons of research and continues to give insight into the modern world. At its root, it’s the idea that people often adopt an “us vs. them” mindset, which fuels lots of conflict between groups. In our conversation, Jay shares the basic tenets and controversies surrounding social identity theory and the direction his own research lab is going.
For a quick overview of Social Identity Theory, featuring Dr. Van Bavel, you can check out this YouTube video [13:36] I made.
Things we mention in this episode:
- Dominic Packer’s research on identity and dissent.
- The pioneering work of John Turner and Henri Tajfel and the development of social identity theory.
- Marilynn Brewer’s “Optimal Distinctiveness Theory”
- Jay’s research on how social identities affect our thought and behavior in domains like politics (e.g., Van Bavel & Pereira, 2018) and social media (Brady, Crockett, & Van Bavel, 2020).
- According to Facebook’s global creative director, Andrew Keller, the average person scrolls through 300 feet of mobile content a day.
- Lilliana Mason’s book (Uncivil Agreement) applying social identity to politics.
Check out my new audio course on Knowable: "The Science of Persuasion."
For a transcript of this episode, visit: http://opinionsciencepodcast.com/episode/social-identities-with-jay-van-bavel/
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Jay Van Bavel studies how our social identities shape the way we see ourselves and the people around us. He’s an associate professor of psychology at New York University. In an upcoming book, he and his colleague, Dominic Packer, present social identity theory. It’s a classic theory in social psychology that has inspired tons of research and continues to give insight into the modern world. At its root, it’s the idea that people often adopt an “us vs. them” mindset, which fuels lots of conflict between groups. In our conversation, Jay shares the basic tenets and controversies surrounding social identity theory and the direction his own research lab is going.
For a quick overview of Social Identity Theory, featuring Dr. Van Bavel, you can check out this YouTube video [13:36] I made.
Things we mention in this episode:
- Dominic Packer’s research on identity and dissent.
- The pioneering work of John Turner and Henri Tajfel and the development of social identity theory.
- Marilynn Brewer’s “Optimal Distinctiveness Theory”
- Jay’s research on how social identities affect our thought and behavior in domains like politics (e.g., Van Bavel & Pereira, 2018) and social media (Brady, Crockett, & Van Bavel, 2020).
- According to Facebook’s global creative director, Andrew Keller, the average person scrolls through 300 feet of mobile content a day.
- Lilliana Mason’s book (Uncivil Agreement) applying social identity to politics.
Check out my new audio course on Knowable: "The Science of Persuasion."
For a transcript of this episode, visit: http://opinionsciencepodcast.com/episode/social-identities-with-jay-van-bavel/
Learn more about Opinion Science at http://opinionsciencepodcast.com/ and follow @OpinionSciPod on Twitter.
For a transcript of this episode, visit this episode's page at: http://opinionsciencepodcast.com/episodes/
Learn more about Opinion Science at http://opinionsciencepodcast.com/ and follow @OpinionSciPod on Twitter.
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#31: The Language of Opinion with Matt Rocklage
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Check out my new audio course on Knowable: "The Science of Persuasion."
For a transcript of this episode, visit: http://opinionsciencepodcast.com/episode/language-of-opinion-with-matt-rocklage/
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Opinion Science - #30: "Us vs. Them" with Jay Van Bavel
Transcript
Andy Luttrell:
I grew up in the Chicago suburbs. When it came to baseball, we were a Cubs family. I remember being in preschool and it was naptime, but the teacher quietly told me not to take a nap and I was like, “What do you mean? I’m four. This is what I do.” But the reason was because my parents were picking me up to take me to a Cubs game. Every summer, my dad would take us to Wrigley Field to see a game. I had this Cubs hat when I was little. It was adorable.
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