
Episode 1: Mik Kersten + Gene Kim (Part 1)
01/24/20 • 35 min
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Episode 1: Gene Kim on The Unicorn Project, The Five Ideals (Part 1)
Introducing the first episode of Mik + One, Mik sits down with Gene Kim, best-selling author of The Phoenix Project and The Unicorn Project, as well as co-author of The DevOps Handbook.
In the first half of this special two-part episode, Mik and Gene talk about:
- Gene’s journey, and how it led to The Unicorn Project
- The motivation and origins behind the Five Ideals and how to put them into practice
- The profound wisdom of the First Ideal: Locality and Simplicity -- and why leaders should use it as a test to identify whether they are progressing in the right direction
- The Second Ideal: Focus, Flow and Joy -- why it resonates so much with Mik, and it’s impact and importance to generating outcomes
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For more information about Gene Kim, to view the full list of resources featured in this episode, and to download the episode transcript, visit:
https://projecttoproduct.org/podcast/gene-kim/
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Episode 2: Gene Kim on The Unicorn Project, The Five Ideals (Part 2)
In this episode of Mik + One, Mik continues the conversation with Gene Kim, best-selling author of The Phoenix Project and The Unicorn Project, as well as co-author of The DevOps Handbook for the second part of their discussion.
This episode centers around:
- Insight into the Third Ideal: Improvement of Daily Work - why focusing on the improvement of daily work is even more crucial than the daily work itself, and the implications this has on technical debt
- The increasing significance of the Fourth Ideal: Psychological Safety - and its impact on organizational culture and performance
- The ideation of the Fifth Ideal: Customer Focus - and why leaders must prioritize top-level business goals and what customers value over everything else in order to achieve success in a modern transformation
New episode every two weeks. Subscribe to the Mik + One podcast today so you never miss an episode and don't forget to leave your review.
Follow Mik on Twitter: @mik_kersten #MikPlusOne
www.tasktop.com
For more information about Gene Kim, to view the full list of resources featured in this episode, and to download the episode transcript, visit:
https://projecttoproduct.org/podcast/gene-kim-part-2/
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