#37 - Working with Our Political Climate

04/04/25 • 65 min

Navigating Political Climate and Emotional Challenges
Mallika and Bonnie discussed the challenges of navigating the current political climate in the United States. They explored how to manage emotions and make choices that lead to less suffering and more influence. Mallika shared her experiences with a family email chain, where she felt disconnected and struggled with the desire to participate in discussions about political issues. She expressed a desire for a deeper layer of conversation, focusing on curiosity and understanding. Bonnie guided Mallika through the process of observing the system without judgment, acknowledging emotions while maintaining a neutral stance. They also touched on the importance of separating values from actions and the potential for feeling disconnected from others in the political climate.
Finding Balance and Expression in Context
Bonnie and Mallika discussed the importance of finding balance and expression in different contexts. They talked about the need to acknowledge and accept similarities, rather than constantly focusing on differences. The conversation centered around the idea of finding the right balance between expressing oneself and avoiding escalation or compliance.
Navigating Political Outrage and Anxiety
Mallika and Bonnie acknowledged that people often get caught up in outrage and lose sight of their own enjoyment, leading to a desire to change the context or the people in power. When people feel their preferred party is in power, there is still a lot of outrage directed at other citizens who don't agree with them. How can we handle this widespread outrage and anxiety?
Compartmentalizing and choosing the level of context one wants to work with in a particular moment is one way to manage our emotional suffering. Mallika asked for strategies to break the compulsion to be in an outrage state, and Bonnie suggested using tools like comparing current context to past ones, and finding relief in moments of relief.
Self-Awareness and Activism Challenges
Bonnie and Mallika discussed the importance of self-awareness and tracking one's own thought processes. They emphasized the need to check in and assess one's own experiences, rather than just reacting to situations. They also touched on the challenges of being an activist and the need to recognize the power of others who may not be as committed to taking action. The conversation ended with a reflection on the potential influence one can have on others by recognizing and addressing their own limitations.
Managing Emotions and Reactions Effectively
In the end, Bonnie and Mallika explored the idea of rehearsing different responses to an email thread, acknowledging the potential for retaliation and the importance of pacing oneself. Could one redirect the conversation to a more positive direction, while being prepared for potential backlash?

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#36 - Summary Part 2

In Part 2 of their discussion on the 9 Building Blocks, Mallika and Bonnie dive into Blocks 5-9, exploring key skills for personal and relational growth.

Topics Discussed:

Building Block 5: Energy – Mallika and Bonnie explore the importance of recognizing different energy states in relationships and how using the "Me & We" skills can help improve mutual understanding and acceptance, especially when partners are in different energy states.
Willing, Wanting, and Committing – They dive into the concept of willing, wanting, and committing as different levels of energy and action, and how this understanding helped Mallika shift her approach during a challenging moment with her husband, leading to a more aligned and less stressful response.
Building Block 6: Shame – Bonnie and Mallika discuss the various defenses we use to protect against shame and the impact of conflation errors (as discussed in Episode #20). They emphasize the importance of recognizing these errors to navigate shame more effectively in personal and relational interactions.
Building Block 7: Receiving a Protest – They explore how understanding the first six building blocks is essential for receiving protests in relationships. The ability to handle protests effectively is key to deepening interpersonal work and strengthening bonds.
Building Block 8: Independent Self – Mallika highlights the importance of the "3 C’s" (Compassion, Claiming, Curiosity) for developing an independent self that can self-organize. They discuss the value of emotional intelligence, taking space to regroup, and using the React-Remove-Regroup-Rehearse-Redo (Repair) cycle for healing and repair in relationships.
Building Block 9: Claiming Truth – Mallika and Bonnie dive into the concept of claiming truth and self-authority, especially for "Truth Seekers." They emphasize the importance of warrior energy and heart in personal growth, and the need to assess resources, energy, and needs accurately. They also discuss the power of holding people accountable to their values for transformative change.

This episode emphasizes the importance of pausing to explore dilemmas, cultivating emotional intelligence, and recognizing progress, effort, and impact in relationships.

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