
Why compliance should be your first thought, not an afterthought | Cory Underwood
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09/20/22 • 40 min
Collecting customer data is something businesses take for granted. It’s an expectation: if they can’t gather data on their customers’ behavior online, how else are brands meant to optimize their user journeys? Yet as legal battles between Google Analytics and European data protection authorities show no signs of slowing down, global businesses risk losing access to data on a massive market. They need to reconsider their compliance strategies — and quickly. The shifting landscape of data security is impacting marketers, businesses, and consumers, but are the changes benefiting anyone?
In this episode of Marketing Un*fucked, Siobhan and Russell talk to Cory Underwood, Analytics Engineer at Search Discovery, about all things privacy when it comes to marketing, legal, and analytics. Listen in as Cory shares his expert views on why brands can no longer collect data on everything and deal with compliance later, how data privacy goes beyond analytics teams to wreak havoc for marketing teams, and the rocky future of international data transfers.
In this episode:
- The legal issues Google Analytics is facing in Europe will get worse before they get better.
- What is the impact on consumers when their analytics data is accessible by a foreign government?
- The issue extends beyond Google Analytics to become an issue of American businesses versus EU laws and regulations.
- Data security becomes alarmingly complex when laws and regulations differ from state to state and country to country.
- Will hefty fines for breaching GDPR encourage businesses to act to avoid being caught off guard?
- Legal councils, marketers, and IT teams must share knowledge to protect businesses and customers.
- Is it possible to be 100% compliant when privacy requirements evolve rapidly?
- A lack of clear and unbiased materials explaining the situation and its implications prevents marketers from understanding rulings.
- Are marketing agencies aware enough of privacy regulations to make effective decisions?
- The challenge of retooling systems with entirely new architectures when the rules are constantly changing.
- Could the cost of maintaining compliance see small businesses priced out of the market?
- Will we see an increase in the number of businesses building compliance teams?
- Businesses will need to weigh up the value of their data versus the potential risk.
- How differing legal language and definitions between states and countries cause confusion.
- Marketers need to move on from talking about third-party cookies and email open rates.
Resources:
Collecting customer data is something businesses take for granted. It’s an expectation: if they can’t gather data on their customers’ behavior online, how else are brands meant to optimize their user journeys? Yet as legal battles between Google Analytics and European data protection authorities show no signs of slowing down, global businesses risk losing access to data on a massive market. They need to reconsider their compliance strategies — and quickly. The shifting landscape of data security is impacting marketers, businesses, and consumers, but are the changes benefiting anyone?
In this episode of Marketing Un*fucked, Siobhan and Russell talk to Cory Underwood, Analytics Engineer at Search Discovery, about all things privacy when it comes to marketing, legal, and analytics. Listen in as Cory shares his expert views on why brands can no longer collect data on everything and deal with compliance later, how data privacy goes beyond analytics teams to wreak havoc for marketing teams, and the rocky future of international data transfers.
In this episode:
- The legal issues Google Analytics is facing in Europe will get worse before they get better.
- What is the impact on consumers when their analytics data is accessible by a foreign government?
- The issue extends beyond Google Analytics to become an issue of American businesses versus EU laws and regulations.
- Data security becomes alarmingly complex when laws and regulations differ from state to state and country to country.
- Will hefty fines for breaching GDPR encourage businesses to act to avoid being caught off guard?
- Legal councils, marketers, and IT teams must share knowledge to protect businesses and customers.
- Is it possible to be 100% compliant when privacy requirements evolve rapidly?
- A lack of clear and unbiased materials explaining the situation and its implications prevents marketers from understanding rulings.
- Are marketing agencies aware enough of privacy regulations to make effective decisions?
- The challenge of retooling systems with entirely new architectures when the rules are constantly changing.
- Could the cost of maintaining compliance see small businesses priced out of the market?
- Will we see an increase in the number of businesses building compliance teams?
- Businesses will need to weigh up the value of their data versus the potential risk.
- How differing legal language and definitions between states and countries cause confusion.
- Marketers need to move on from talking about third-party cookies and email open rates.
Resources:
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Let go of assumptions to better understand your customers | Janis Thomas
Marketers often exist within a bubble that messes with their perception of their audience. They build ideas about their customers based on their own desires and preconceived notions about different segments, thinking that older audiences are slow and don’t engage with brands online. That an instant conversion is always a win. And, most dangerously, that everyone looks and acts like them.
This is based on ego, not data, and is totally F*cked. But how do you move away from comfortable ideals and begin to engage with your audience in a way that drives higher lifetime value by embracing their diversity and changing behavior?
Join me, Siobhan Solberg, and my co-host Russell McAthy as we speak to Janis Thomas, Ecommerce Marketing Director of Look Fabulous Forever and ex-Marketing Director at Birchbox, about everything from marketing Playboy to young men to marketing make-up to post-menopausal women.
In this episode:
- Granular customer data that tracks journeys helps businesses attract the right sort of customers that stay long term.
- Content that doesn’t drive instant conversions is still a valuable part of the customer journey and can drive higher retention.
- Businesses should look to shift from the short-term goal of instant conversion to lifetime value. Customers that take more convincing often leave later on.
- Representation and accurate portrayals of real people are key when marketing to underrepresented audiences like post-menopausal women.
- Older audiences may take longer to make decisions and convert but are willing to push through longer page load times.
- While older audiences may have lower expectations of side speed and load time, it is important to give them the best possible experience in return for their loyalty.
- Looking at customer data can help e-commerce marketers avoid the common pitfall of believing their customer looks and acts like them.
- Talk to and listen to customers to get the most valuable behavioral insights via Facebook groups and research.
- Over 65s is one of the fastest growing markets, and their experiences should be invested in rather than only chasing Gen Y and Z.
- Continually learning about marketing and evolving technologies helps marketers understand their customers' journeys better and create consistency.
- There are company-wide benefits of engaging with marketing teams across the business and learning from each other’s work.
- Creating a culture where everyone can submit ideas for optimization invites ideas from people without set assumptions. Mixed ability groups create better results.
- Brands have a duty to support their customers through the difficult periods of life.
- Mentoring is important for women to take the next step up in their careers, and encourage more to consider where a board role may fit in their careers.
- Mentors have just as much to gain from the two-way relationship as mentees.
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How failed tests help you make better decisions | Craig Sullivan
It’s easier now than ever before for businesses to run CRO experiments, but what happens when great technology is misused? From not running enough tests to manipulating data to prove a favored hypothesis, there are many ways businesses use testing resources incorrectly — and screw up their growth in the process. So, how can we Unf*ck these issues?
Join me, Siobhan Solberg, and my co-host Russell McAthy as we chat with Optimal Visit’s Optimiser in Chief, Craig Sullivan, about all things testing. We get into why there is no such thing as a ‘failed’ test, the importance of optimizing your experiment programs, and how A/B testing can help you grow better tomatoes (literally).
In this episode:
- Many more businesses are starting to run tests, but few run enough to drive real impact.
- The more you test before setting updates live, the fewer mistakes you’ll make.
- There’s no such thing as a failed test. Tests that don’t prove your hypothesis are as valuable as ‘successful’ tests — and can actually tell you more.
- Tests should provide strong evidence that changing from what you’re doing now is the right idea.
- Hunches and leaps of faith have their merit but need to be augmented by data, not driven by assumptions.
- What should start-ups focus on if they don’t have adequate sample sizes or KPI outcomes?
- How can businesses blend qualitative and quantitative data to generate better quality ideas?
- Tests should never be run until a clear and measurable hypothesis that’s rooted in critical thinking has been written.
- Manipulating data to support your hypothesis and personal biases leads to flawed business decisions.
- The only way to truly understand your audience is to talk to them and run tests.
- Accurately and authentically representing your audience drives better results and can change the way they engage with your business.
- How to optimize experimentation programs in order to scale.
- Big decisions can’t be made based on one A/B test that fails to take into account wider contexts.
- Marketers should not ignore the importance of segmenting mobile and desktop users when running cross-device experiments.
- Why governance and transparency are the largest things to be Unf*cked in testing.
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Marketing Unf*cked - Why compliance should be your first thought, not an afterthought | Cory Underwood
Transcript
And I think it's probably going to get worse before it gets better. Welcome to Marketing Unfucked, the only podcast that helps you unfuck your marketing by hosting conversations with all the badasses in the industry. We are your hosts, Siobhan and Russell. And today, we're joined by Corey Underwood. We're gonna talk all things privacy when it comes to marketing, legal, and analytics. Let's do
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