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Love or Leave the Law Podcast - #37 Elena Deutsch- Leave the Law

#37 Elena Deutsch- Leave the Law

12/21/20 • 39 min

Love or Leave the Law Podcast
Join Adam and Casey with their guest, Elena Deutsch, as they talk about her experience with women lawyers leaving the law, taking baby steps towards your calling, and the steps to remove the roadblocks that stop you from starting to make a change. Elena is the founder of WILL: Women Interested in Leaving (big) Law, which specializes in helping women find clarity and take action on their dreams. She shares her story on how she found her purpose, explains why any lawyer can choose to leave the industry, and shifts the common perspective that people in the law have when going for a non-law career. Stay tuned, and enjoy!What You’ll LearnMicro Relief To a Macro ResultMany of us might get consumed dreaming about our end goals that we forget to take action in the present. At the moment, the journey is more important than the destination! If you're constantly musing on the idea of finally being able to break free from the law, the pesky emails, and the harrowing stress from your current lifestyle, what are you doing about it? Your aspirations may seem so far from reality at the moment, but each step in the right direction, even baby steps, will add up to bring you where you need to be in the future.Where do you start? Curiosity. Instead of sinking in the ideas that you'll never be able to get out of your mortgage, escape from the kids, or put food on the table, Elena says that we have to break ourselves out from this thought pattern. Instead, ask yourself, "What if I took that class or webinar?" "Why don’t I scour the internet to find the right information?" "Where can I locate people that can help me get to the next step?" Once you understand the concept of Elena's "micro relief", you'll see that each step towards your ideal self is right in front of you!Mend Your Mindset Using the TFAR MethodIn the podcast, Elena gives a tool based on the cognitive-behavioral theory that gives an outline you can follow to realign your problematic beliefs.
  1. Thoughts. These are ideas in our heads are the foundation of everything.
  2. Feelings. Those thoughts bring out a sensation from us.
  3. Action. Our feelings lead to a response. We take a step, or, decide not to move forward.
  4. Results. The actions we take (or lack thereof) lead to an outcome.
For example, if we think that we can't maintain our family's lifestyle without the wealth in the law, we'd feel stuck. Because of this anxiety, we may incline not to do anything and let things continue as they are. Obviously, the situation remains the same, yielding no results.However, if we change the initial thought into "we're smart and wise people", we'd feel confident about ourselves. This innate courage then pushes us to find a solution to solve our present problems. Going back to the idea of baby steps, even the tiniest of actions can produce results for us bit by bit. It all starts from having the right thoughts . Make sure to listen to the full episode to take advantage and learn more about this method!About Elena Deutsch:Elena Deutsch, MPH is founder and CEO of WILL – Women Interested in Leaving (big) Law. She is committed to helping women lawyers who struggle to leave big law take action towards a career and life they love. Prior to this, she was a partner in Wildfire Strategies, a consulting and coaching firm that ignites leadership in executives and teams. Before Wildfire, she held leadership roles at the American Cancer Society and CAI Global.Elena has coached senior leaders and teams in a range of industries, including: law firms, health care, and the arts. She supported executives and teams to lead with greater ease, confidence and impact.Elena completed her coach training at New York University, and her Master’s in Public Health from the University of North Carolina – Chapel Hill. Elena is also a certified MBTI (Myers-Briggs Type Indicator) practitioner.Currently, she lives with her family in upper Manhattan.Show NotesOutline of the Episode:
  • [01:21] Why would Elena work with women lawyers when she isn't one in the first place?
  • [05:03] The Call in Cape Cod – Elena's discovery of a newfound purpose in life.
  • [07:20] Experiencing an "emotional high" when realizing what you want to do.
  • [10:34] "If you're as hardworking, smart, and capable to go to law school and work in a big firm... then you can do anything." Give yourself permission to start!
  • [11:48] No matter how big the golden handcuffs are, you can still listen to the whispers calling you to take that first step!
  • [13:25] The value of taking baby steps toward your big dreams. If you want to be out of the law someday, then you have to start somewhere.
  • ...
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Join Adam and Casey with their guest, Elena Deutsch, as they talk about her experience with women lawyers leaving the law, taking baby steps towards your calling, and the steps to remove the roadblocks that stop you from starting to make a change. Elena is the founder of WILL: Women Interested in Leaving (big) Law, which specializes in helping women find clarity and take action on their dreams. She shares her story on how she found her purpose, explains why any lawyer can choose to leave the industry, and shifts the common perspective that people in the law have when going for a non-law career. Stay tuned, and enjoy!What You’ll LearnMicro Relief To a Macro ResultMany of us might get consumed dreaming about our end goals that we forget to take action in the present. At the moment, the journey is more important than the destination! If you're constantly musing on the idea of finally being able to break free from the law, the pesky emails, and the harrowing stress from your current lifestyle, what are you doing about it? Your aspirations may seem so far from reality at the moment, but each step in the right direction, even baby steps, will add up to bring you where you need to be in the future.Where do you start? Curiosity. Instead of sinking in the ideas that you'll never be able to get out of your mortgage, escape from the kids, or put food on the table, Elena says that we have to break ourselves out from this thought pattern. Instead, ask yourself, "What if I took that class or webinar?" "Why don’t I scour the internet to find the right information?" "Where can I locate people that can help me get to the next step?" Once you understand the concept of Elena's "micro relief", you'll see that each step towards your ideal self is right in front of you!Mend Your Mindset Using the TFAR MethodIn the podcast, Elena gives a tool based on the cognitive-behavioral theory that gives an outline you can follow to realign your problematic beliefs.
  1. Thoughts. These are ideas in our heads are the foundation of everything.
  2. Feelings. Those thoughts bring out a sensation from us.
  3. Action. Our feelings lead to a response. We take a step, or, decide not to move forward.
  4. Results. The actions we take (or lack thereof) lead to an outcome.
For example, if we think that we can't maintain our family's lifestyle without the wealth in the law, we'd feel stuck. Because of this anxiety, we may incline not to do anything and let things continue as they are. Obviously, the situation remains the same, yielding no results.However, if we change the initial thought into "we're smart and wise people", we'd feel confident about ourselves. This innate courage then pushes us to find a solution to solve our present problems. Going back to the idea of baby steps, even the tiniest of actions can produce results for us bit by bit. It all starts from having the right thoughts . Make sure to listen to the full episode to take advantage and learn more about this method!About Elena Deutsch:Elena Deutsch, MPH is founder and CEO of WILL – Women Interested in Leaving (big) Law. She is committed to helping women lawyers who struggle to leave big law take action towards a career and life they love. Prior to this, she was a partner in Wildfire Strategies, a consulting and coaching firm that ignites leadership in executives and teams. Before Wildfire, she held leadership roles at the American Cancer Society and CAI Global.Elena has coached senior leaders and teams in a range of industries, including: law firms, health care, and the arts. She supported executives and teams to lead with greater ease, confidence and impact.Elena completed her coach training at New York University, and her Master’s in Public Health from the University of North Carolina – Chapel Hill. Elena is also a certified MBTI (Myers-Briggs Type Indicator) practitioner.Currently, she lives with her family in upper Manhattan.Show NotesOutline of the Episode:
  • [01:21] Why would Elena work with women lawyers when she isn't one in the first place?
  • [05:03] The Call in Cape Cod – Elena's discovery of a newfound purpose in life.
  • [07:20] Experiencing an "emotional high" when realizing what you want to do.
  • [10:34] "If you're as hardworking, smart, and capable to go to law school and work in a big firm... then you can do anything." Give yourself permission to start!
  • [11:48] No matter how big the golden handcuffs are, you can still listen to the whispers calling you to take that first step!
  • [13:25] The value of taking baby steps toward your big dreams. If you want to be out of the law someday, then you have to start somewhere.
  • ...

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Love or Leave the Law is honored to have Mark Weber join us! Mark has more than 20 years of experience counseling and advising students and attorneys about their careers, and he shared a wealth of knowledge in this episode.

Since 2000, Mark has served as the Assistant Dean for Career Services at Harvard Law School. He held that role at his alma mater, the University of Illinois College of Law.

Before counseling students, Mark practiced law at a mid-sized firm in Chicago where he focused on tax, corporate and bankruptcy matters and worked in the tax department of a Big Four public accounting firm. Mark is also a CPA and received his B.S. in Accountancy from the University of Illinois.

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- The trends in the legal industry, as well as the job market from a Harvard viewpoint

- Tips, tricks, and ideas for students and graduates to help find out what they are good at, and how to find jobs that align with these skills

- Great tips on how to actually “enjoy” the practice of law

- Mark Weber’s experience moving from a law firm to career guidance “Sherpa”

- And why asking yourself "How do I feel?” on Sunday night tells a lot about what you should do with your life.

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Join Adam and Casey with their guest, Ritu Goswamy, as they talk about meditation, mindfulness, and productivity. Ritu shares her expertise in these topics to help you find clarity in your life’s mission. The three get into having a passion for work while having balance in life, properly embracing your identity as a lawyer, and why meditation might not have worked for you before. We know there’s a lot of people rolling their eyes when they hear about meditation and mindfulness. As lawyers, we’re expected to be skeptical, so that's only natural!. But that doubt also makes us look at those who claim that meditation turned their lives around for the better. Tune in to the podcast, and see that it’s not as “woo woo” as you might have thought! What You’ll LearnExtinguishing an Exhausting Fiery ConstitutionAccording to Ritu, lawyers tend to be very driven and passionate like a burning fire. We’re almost always trying to produce results left and right. Just because we can continue to push, we’ll go all out with everything we have. It’s not a bad thing to be an achiever, since we’ve got to where we are now because of all the hard work we’ve done. However, going literally “above and beyond” is not always the best thing for ourselves. Instead of going at 150% every time, dial back to 75% and find that balance you've always been looking for. Once you start this practice of toning things down, you might think that you’re not doing enough for the day. However, that’s EXACTLY the issue that we’re trying to deal with here. You’re not supposed to feel exhausted every single day. But how do you pull back? Well, one of the reasons you’re doing this is so that you could define the things that you want to do. So, if you look at your workload, figure out which ones you love doing and stick with those. Adam mentions you could keep your A and B clients while “firing” the rest! Another solution you could utilize is delegation. Sometimes we may be hesitant to let others do our job because of our overachieving nature, but what we don’t realize is that there are other people much better (and more efficient) than us on some of the tasks we do each day.Once you’re able to create a good system for yourself, you’ll find more time to love yourself, clarity with what you want to do, and opportunities to act on your newly-discovered (or reawakened) passions. Not only that, but you might also find yourself earning much more than you are now!Setting Expectations with Meditation and MindfulnessNow that we’ve established the value of slowing things down, it’s time to talk about taking care of the mind. Because we’ve overworked our minds to point of exhaustion almost every day in the span of our career, it’s essential to let it rest now. This is where meditation or mindfulness comes into the scene. Without getting too technical about it, mindfulness is simply giving yourself time to be in the moment. There are a plethora of ways to go about it, but one example mentioned in the show is staying still for at least five minutes and getting your mind out of the hamster wheel of “more”, “fast”, and “next”. This state of mind allows you to be clear, giving yourself some room to breathe. If you have special space for yourself, you can proceed with whatever you have next with more intention.While all of this sounds good, many people still give up. Why? It’s because mindfulness is a lifestyle that one has to develop. A few sessions of meditation can’t just immediately bring alignment into our lives. Success with this practice is a matter of starting somewhere and putting in the effort. Some people can do it by themselves, but others may do better a little guidance. Listen to the full episode, learn more, and get the opportunity to avail of Ritu’s book for free!About Ritu Goswamy:Ritu Goswamy, Esq., is a lawyer and productivity strategist for lawyers. She is the best-selling author of The New Billable Hour: Bill More Hours, Be More Productive, and Still Have Work Life Balance and The Holistic Lawyer: Use Your Whole Brain to Work Smarter Not Harder. Ritu is the creator of the New Billable Hour ® system, which helps lawyers increase their productivity by billing themselves first. She teaches this system directly to lawyers in a way that is engaging, fun, and practical. Ritu hosts "The New Billable Hour Podcast" available where you like to listen and on YouTube. She consults with lawyers individually and in groups and is an active speaker and trainer in the areas of lawyer productivity, competence, and mindfulness. For a free copy of her first book and other resources, visit: www.ritugoswamy.com.Show NotesOutline of the Episode:

  • [01:19] The problem with the overworking and overachieving culture among most lawyers. Self-care is still possible even with the limited time we have!
  • [05:03] The legal pro...

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