Learn, Make, Learn
Ernest Kim, Joachim Groeger
Learn, Make, Learn is two product geeks sharing qualitative & quantitative perspectives to help you make, better. Hosted by Ernest Kim and Joachim Groeger.
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CarPlay or the Highway?
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03/06/24 • 72 min
This week, we discuss the tension between integrated in-car UX platforms vs Apple’s CarPlay & Android Auto. When, if ever, does it make sense to give up control of your product experience?
FOLLOW-UPS – 02:21
Tesler’s Law, aka Conservation of Complexity
Theodore Leavitt on Marketing Myopia
@geoffbaron: The difference between PMs & developers
@tr3v: No one was ever inspired by a KPI
CARPLAY OR THE HIGHWAY – 12:20
@kirankripakaran on Threads
Everybody hates GM’s decision to kill Apple CarPlay
We need to talk about digital ownership
BMW re-thinks on-demand services
Car-seat install bricks new Ferrari
Bang & Olufsen designed its new speaker for a long life
Framework modular laptop
Kia Reveals Modular EV Van Lineup
Apple’s next-gen CarPlay
Mini’s new giant circular OLED on the dash
MKBHD: The Kia EV9 is Surprisingly Good!
About those kill-switched Ukrainian tractors
IMPLICATIONS FOR PEOPLE MAKING PRODUCTS – 54:07
Nassim Nicholas Taleb: Antifragile
Bezos Wisdom: “Focus on the things that don’t change”
WEEKLY RECS – 01:02:00
Morgan Aeromax
Troubleshooter: Morgan (1990)
Troubleshooter: Morgan (2000)
Perfect Days
How Toilets Got a Starring Role in a Wim Wenders Movie
Komorebi
CLOSING & PREVIEW – 01:11:13
(Image: Apple)
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Apple Vision Pros & Cons
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01/17/24 • 55 min
Ernest & Joachim debate Apple Vision Pro: Does it represent “the beginning of a new era for computing,” or will it offer more proof that VR is an answer to a question no one’s asking? E & J then highlight lessons that can be applied to anyone in the business of making products, irrespective of category.
CONTEXT ON SPATIAL COMPUTING – 00:34
WWDC 2023: Apple Vision Pro
Simon Greenwold's paper on Spatial Computing
JOACHIM’S CASE – 03:01
Mentour Pilot: The Untold Story of Air France 447
ERNEST’S CASE – 09:16
Why the Apple Watch is Flopping (2015)
Anticipated 2024 Units Sales for Apple Vision Pro
Are Smart Phones Spreading Faster than Any Tech in Human History?
Lessons From the Rise and Quick Decline of the First ‘Killer App’ (paywall)
Apple Continues to Explore Health Capabilities of Vision Pro
We Have Reached Peak Screen (paywall)
Steve Jobs & the ‘Bicycle for the Mind’
KILLER APPS FOR SPATIAL COMPUTING – 23:24
Wolfram Mathematica visualizations for Arrival
William Gibson’s 2020 novel, Agency
ALTS TO FACE COMPUTERS – 28:54
Why The Mandalorian Uses Virtual Sets Over Green Screen
The Rabbit R1 is an AI-powered gadget that can use your apps for you
The Ray-Ban Meta smart glasses actually make the future look cool
Future Interfaces Group
LESSONS FOR MAKERS – 42:04
Shoe Dog, A Memoir by the Creator of Nike
WEEKLY RECS – 46:48
Freevalve camless engine tech in the Koenigsegg Gemera
Steve Jobs: The Lost Interview
CLOSING & PREVIEW – 54:04
(Image credits: Left–Apple, Right–Meta)
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MKBHD, Panels & Pricing
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11/15/24 • 57 min
A conversation triggered by MKBHD’s Panels app gets really interesting when we dig into pricing & lessons for people in the business of making products.
FOLLOW-UPS – 02:23
Are Pop Lyrics Getting More Repetitive?
How gamification took over the world
Can't Play, Won't Play
An Interview with Meta CTO Andrew Bosworth
Meta Connect Keynote 2024
Meta’s big tease
MKBHD, PANELS & PRICING – 07:30
Marques Brownlee
MKBHD’s first review
Marques Brownlee says ‘I hear you’ after fans criticize his new wallpaper app
YouTubers are not your friends
Why Criticism Still Matters
LESSON FOR PRODUCT CREATORS – 20:02
How Nike finally hacked skateboarding
ON PRICING – 23:42
Friedrich Hayek
Oskar R. Lange
Lange model
Kanopy
Taylor Swift–Ticketmaster controversy
The Changing Face Of The Secondary Market: Rolex CPO and more
RECOMMENDATIONS – 43:18
MUBI
The Substance on MUBI
The Fall on MUBI
Goeff McFetridge: Drawing a Life on MUBI
Thatcher had “phenomenal” impact on Britain’s cultural landscape
Bedrock Sandals
Creepers Socks
How Did Hokas Become So Popular? (paywall)
CLOSING – 56:29
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Off-the-Cuff: Miele, Snow Peak & Ableton Live
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10/04/24 • 45 min
We go off-the-cuff again, sharing product learnings from Miele vacuums, Snow Peak’s modular IGT system & Ableton’s singular vision for music creation.
OFF-THE-CUFF – 00:59
JOACHIM RECOMMENDS: MIELE C3 VACUUM – 01:38
Miele Complete C3 Calima PowerLine
Behind Dyson’s cyclone
Dyson Stick Vacuums Lose CR Recommendation
We’ve Recommended Miele Canister Vacuums for Almost a Decade
My Middle-Aged Miele C2 Canister Vacuum Has a Long Life Ahead of It
Ernest’s now discontinued Miele Cat & Dog Vacuum
James Dyson: From Brexit to Singapore
Yes, Portland’s Stark’s Vacuums is still in business!
ERNEST RECOMMENDS: SNOW PEAK IGT SYSTEM – 13:36
Ali George Hinkins: History of Snow Peak
An Introduction to IGT
Comprehensive “IGT 101” primer
Live the Slow Art of Japanese Camping
Examples of Korean-style Camping
Tom Bihn bags
Eames Storage Unit
The Eames Modular House
Modular Cabins Inspired by Minecraft
Snow Peak’s New Portland Flagship Store
Vitsœ 606 Universal Shelving System
USM Haller System
Legibility
Framework laptop
JOACHIM RECOMMENDS: ABLETON LIVE – 35:39
What is Ableton Live?
The Untold Story of Ableton Live
Reason’s skeuomorphic interface
Eating your own dog food
CLOSING – 44:31
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Why is Design So Boring? with Nate Grubbs
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10/18/24 • 57 min
We dive into our titular question with Nate Grubbs, who, unlike us, is a professional designer with strong views borne of decades of experience across UX, visual & product design.
MEET NATE – 01:18
THE AGE OF AVERAGE – 04:19
Alex Murrell: The age of average
The tyranny of the algorithm: why every coffee shop looks the same
How Khruangbin’s Sound Became the New Mood Music (paywall)
SOUL, FLASH & OLD MAN VIBES – 06:36
A Farewell to Adobe Flash—and the Messy, Glorious Web
Donnie Darko website
Félix Lapointe: Remembering Kai Power Tools
Artist at Play: An e-mail exchange with Kai Krause
A PERVASIVE FEAR OF FAILURE – 17:49
Please, Please Don’t A/B Test That
Study finds 268% higher failure rates for Agile software projects
SIGNS OF HOPE & BREAKING THROUGH – 23:27
Massimo Giunco: Nike, An Epic Saga of Value Destruction
The Father of Grunge Typography Calls Out Lazy Design
Paula Scher: Great design is serious (not solemn)
Kintsugi
CONSTRAINTS AS A CATALYST – 34:08
Why Constraints Are Good for Innovation
Daft Social
Start-Ups Surge in the Great Reset
Gnuhr
Physical music sales on course for first increase in 20 years
RECOMMENDATIONS – 45:45
Nate: Yoto
Ernest: A Different Man; related: The rise and rise of A24, a champion of storytelling on screen (paywall)
Joachim: I Saw the TV Glow; What You Are Looking for is in the Library
CLOSING – 56:57
NateGrubbs.com
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The Perils of Crossing Over from Niche to Mainstream
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02/08/24 • 46 min
We dig into the perils of crossing over from niche to mainstream. How can a brand built on a niche product or service successfully expand its appeal? Should this even be an aspiration?
FOLLOW-UPS – 01:24
“Low-Resource” Text Classification
78% MNIST accuracy using GZIP in under 10 lines of code
MNIST by zip
Clustering by compression
Kolmogorov complexity
Normalized compression distance
ChatGPT is a Blurry JPEG of the Web
Last week’s cover art
Apple’s LaserWriter Changed Everything (paywall)
Adobe, Stability AI & Canva are starting to pay artists
On Threads @LearnMakeLearnShow
THE PERILS OF CROSSING OVER – 12:23
American Fiction’s Big Literary Showdown
SCENE FROM AMERICAN FICTION – 14:27
THE CRUX – 16:00
Chris Wilcha Talks Gen X Angst
Hodinkee Cuts a Fifth of Jobs (paywall)
Maciej Ceglowski—Barely succeed! It’s easier!
Pinboard
CROSS-SUBSIDIES – 24:42
The car that saved Porsche (paywall)
Windup Watch Fair
When Movie Stars Become Brands
Adam Curtis Interview
KAIZEN – 29:25
What is Kaizen?
William Gibson interview
Stanley Cup Craze
Nintendo CEO’s refusal to layoff staff goes viral
FOCUS DOESN'T HAVE TO MEAN SMALL – 36:25
WEEKLY RECS – 39:05
On Film Grain Emulation
The “baseline” scene
CLOSING & PREVIEW – 44:50
(Image credit: Clair Folger/Orion Releasing)
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WTF is an Applied Microeconomist?
Learn, Make, Learn
02/21/24 • 69 min
This week, we dive into Joachim's career as an applied microeconomist. What does an applied microeconomist do, how is it relevant to product innovation, how do you enter the field, and much more!
FOLLOW-UPS – 01:43
Margaret Heffernan: A Bigger Prize
Ed Catmull on The Hungry Beast and the Ugly Baby
WTF IS AN APPLIED MICROECONOMIST? – 08:44
David Hume: “Reason Is and Ought Only to Be the Slave of the Passions”
Ariel Rubinstein: Dilemmas of an Economic TheoristKarl Marx: Theses on FeuerbachMechanism Design
THE ASSUMPTION OF RATIONAL BEHAVIOR – 16:56
Game Theory: A Very Short IntroductionHow “Jobs to Be Done” Can Help You Make, Better
MICRO- VS. MACRO-ECONOMICS – 23:58
APPLIED MICROECONOMICS & PRODUCT INNOVATION – 28:59
Tinker Hatfield, The Georges Pompidou Center & The Air Max 1
TEACHING VS. WORKING IN INDUSTRY – 37:16
The Perils of Crossing Over From Niche to Mainstream
JOACHIM'S PATH TO APPLIED MICROECONOMICS – 42:58
Rage Against the Machine, Che Guevara T-Shirt
Estimation of a Dynamic Auction Game
Ursula K. Le Guin: The Dispossessed
WHAT PEOPLE GET WRONG ABOUT ECONOMICS – 47:22
Surprised by the Hot Hand Fallacy?
Uncertainty in the Hot Hand Fallacy
Blaming Analytics for the 49ers Super Bowl Loss
Kevin Slavin: How Algorithms Will Shape Our World
HOW TO BECOME AN APPLIED MICROECONOMIST – 54:48
ADVICE TO YOUR 16-YEAR-OLD SELF – 57:35
WEEKLY RECS – 01:00:45
Tanaka Tatsuya: Miniature & Mitate Artist
Tom Coates: How Threads will integrate with the Fediverse
The fediverse, explained
CLOSING & PREVIEW – 01:08:48
(Image credit: Guillem Casasus for The Financial Times)
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Theme: Vendla / Today Is a Good Day / courtesy of www.epidemicsound.com
Drum hit: PREL / Musical Element 85 / courtesy of www.epidemicsound.com
When Values & Opportunity Collide
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01/31/24 • 38 min
Ernest & Joachim dive into the dilemma faced when a promising business opportunity conflicts with your own or your company's values. The duo offer perspectives on how to navigate this conflict, including tools you can apply to your day-to-day work making products.
FOLLOW-UPS – 01:15
History of Jobs-to-Be-Done
WHEN VALUES & OPPORTUNITY COLLIDE – 02:15
Follow us on Threads
Apple’s Privacy Pledge Complicates Its AI Push
Google staff criticize leadership over lack of vision
What’s Gone Wrong at Boeing (paywall)
Majority of Gen Zers would quit their jobs over company values
SHOULD COMPANIES EXPRESS VALUES? – 04:52
What Should a Corporation’s Purpose Be?
Apple is becoming an ad company despite privacy claims
“Don’t be evil” isn’t a normal company value.
NO, IT'S ON US TO HOLD & EXPRESS VALUES – 07:36
BUT WHAT IF YOUR & YOUR CO'S VALUES DON'T ALIGN? – 12:13
Stafford Beer
The purpose of a system is what it does
EMBEDDING VALUES THROUGH CORP STRUCTURE – 16:25
Patagonia’s New Ownership Structure
OpenAI’s weird governance structure (paywall)
Is Rolex a Nonprofit?
IMPLICATIONS & TACTICS FOR PEOPLE MAKING PRODUCTS – 20:28
Inge Druckrey: Teaching to See
Train (board game)
Apple best-placed to benefit from AI
Selling Subscriptions
WEEKLY RECS – 31:37
Untrue (album)
American Fiction
‘Watchmen’ Writer Cord Jefferson
Poor Things
CLOSING & PREVIEW – 37:36
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WTF is a Product Manager?
Learn, Make, Learn
02/28/24 • 69 min
This week, we dive into Ernest's career as a product manager/product marketer and discuss what a product manager does, how to sift meaningful insights from the noise, how to enter the field & much more.
FOLLOW-UPS – 02:25
Surprised by the Hot Hand Fallacy?
Imagined Consumption Reduces Actual Consumption
I placed too much faith in underpowered studies
WTF IS A PRODUCT MANAGER? – 07:24
Ernest’s blog post on this topic
Why The Hidden Risks Of Specialization Help Explain Crises
How “Jobs to Be Done” Can Help You Make, Better
UNDERSTANDING YOUR CUSTOMER – 12:04
THE PRODUCT BRIEF – 21:34
Give me the freedom of a tight brief
GETTING TO THE WHY – 26:09
Coca-Cola “Polar Bowl”
CHEERLEADING, MOMENTUM, HONESTY & RISK – 33:32
The Greatest Night in Pop
THE DREADED ‘CEO PROJECT’ – 39:43
WHAT PEOPLE GET WRONG ABOUT PRODUCT MANAGEMENT – 41:47
Sports Product Management at University of Oregon
HOW TO BECOME A PM – 45:06
Kicksology.net—Don’t Call it a Comeback
Apple Hires Anand Lal Shimpi
Google hires The Verge’s Deiter Bohn
Architecture and design with Dami
ADVICE TO YOUR 16-YEAR-OLD SELF – 53:22
Steve Jobs Secrets of Life
WEEKLY RECS – 55:53
BBC Connections
The Greatest Shot in Television
Steve Jobs, internal “Chalk Talk” for NeXT, 1991
Naim Mu-So 2
Andrew Robinson’s review of the Mu-So 2
NeXT Cube
Steve Jobs intro’s the original iMac
CLOSING & PREVIEW – 01:07:53
(Image credit: Ernest Kim)
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Theme: Vendla / Today Is a Good Day / courtesy of www.epidemicsound.com
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Caveat Emptor?
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12/31/24 • 68 min
Ernest’s experience with a boundary-breaking headphone sparks a discussion on caveat emptor, or buyer beware, and just how much risk we, as product creators, should expect buyers to bear.
FOLLOW-UPS – 01:15
MKBHD, Panels & Pricing
WTF Happened in 2024?!
I Love You, Man: The Male Friendship Recession
Why Are Boys and Men in Trouble?
CAVEAT EMPTOR? – 06:36
Caveat emptor
An ode to open-back headphones—and why I’d never go (closed-)back
What’s the difference between dynamic and planar magnetic drivers?
Audio46 Headphones
Sennheiser HD800S: Revisiting a Legend
Focal Clear MG
Hifiman Arya Stealth & Organic
Hifiman Arya Unveiled Review—The Next Best?
The most expensive headphone in the world is terrifying!
Are Hifiman Unveiled Headphones Safe?
With Just 8 Words, Steve Jobs Explained the Best Decision He Ever Made
Man Tests Tesla Cybertruck Trunk Sensor With His Finger
The Hidden Autopilot Data That Reveals Why Teslas Crash
IIHS tested Tesla Autopilot safeguards: Here’s what they found
Arrival or departure? The rise and fall of Britain’s EV unicorn
Interview with Hifiman CEO Dr. Fang Bian
‘The Beta Test’ Director Jim Cummings Wants to Liberate Indie Filmmaking
RECOMMENDATIONS – 51:07
Derek Guy: Die Workwear!
J’s year-end rec: Outlier Strongworks Pants
E’s year-end rec: OrSlow French Work Pants & Yamatomichi 5-Pocket Pants
CLOSING – 01:07:44
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How many episodes does Learn, Make, Learn have?
Learn, Make, Learn currently has 25 episodes available.
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The podcast is about Product Management, Podcasts, Education and Business.
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The episode title 'CarPlay or the Highway?' is the most popular.
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The average episode length on Learn, Make, Learn is 58 minutes.
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The first episode of Learn, Make, Learn was released on Jan 9, 2024.
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