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Grief is a Sneaky Bitch - Brennan Wood | Children and Grief

Brennan Wood | Children and Grief

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12/12/23 • 74 min

Grief is a Sneaky Bitch

About Episode & Guest

I think we can all agree that children and grief are two words we wish would never have to go together. Yet we do live in that world and the challenge we face is that we live in a culture that is grief avoidant which makes it difficult for us to know how to offer meaningful and age-appropriate support.

The good news is that today’s guest, Brennan Wood, Executive Director of the Dougy Center is here to help. The center’s mission is to provide grief support in a safe place where children, teens, young adults, and their families can share their experiences before and after a death.

Brennan’s connection to the place goes back decades. You see long before she became the Executive Director, she attended the Dougy Center as a client. Brennan walked through the doors for the first time in 1987 when her mother, Doris, died three days after Brennan turned 12 years old.

In this episode, Brennan leans on her own wisdom and the lessons she’s learned from the clinical staff of her organization in today’s conversation. She is a warm, caring, wise spirit and you are going to love her. Get ready! She is full of wisdom, stories, humor, energy and so much more. You are going to love her.

Resources and Books

You can learn more about Brennan and the Dougy Center by visiting www.dougy.org. They have tons of helpful tip sheets, podcasts, and have age-specific toolkits to help you show up for a grieving child in your life.

Host Lisa Keefauver's book Grief is a Sneaky Bitch: An Uncensored Guide to Navigating Loss IS NOW AVAILABLE FOR PRE-ORDER. You can find it on Amazon.com, Barnes & Noble or Bookshop.org or by visiting www.lisakeefauver.com

Visit www.lisakeefauver.com to learn more about Lisa, sign up for her Not-So-Regular Newsletter, register for an upcoming online grief workshop or watch her TEDx talk, Why Knowing More About Grief Can Make it Suck Less.


You can find all the books featured on the show by visiting the Grief is a Sneaky Bitch Wishlist on Bookshop.org

Oh, and this season, if you want to WATCH the show, you can now watch it on YouTube @lisakeefauvermsw

Recorded September 8, 2023


Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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About Episode & Guest

I think we can all agree that children and grief are two words we wish would never have to go together. Yet we do live in that world and the challenge we face is that we live in a culture that is grief avoidant which makes it difficult for us to know how to offer meaningful and age-appropriate support.

The good news is that today’s guest, Brennan Wood, Executive Director of the Dougy Center is here to help. The center’s mission is to provide grief support in a safe place where children, teens, young adults, and their families can share their experiences before and after a death.

Brennan’s connection to the place goes back decades. You see long before she became the Executive Director, she attended the Dougy Center as a client. Brennan walked through the doors for the first time in 1987 when her mother, Doris, died three days after Brennan turned 12 years old.

In this episode, Brennan leans on her own wisdom and the lessons she’s learned from the clinical staff of her organization in today’s conversation. She is a warm, caring, wise spirit and you are going to love her. Get ready! She is full of wisdom, stories, humor, energy and so much more. You are going to love her.

Resources and Books

You can learn more about Brennan and the Dougy Center by visiting www.dougy.org. They have tons of helpful tip sheets, podcasts, and have age-specific toolkits to help you show up for a grieving child in your life.

Host Lisa Keefauver's book Grief is a Sneaky Bitch: An Uncensored Guide to Navigating Loss IS NOW AVAILABLE FOR PRE-ORDER. You can find it on Amazon.com, Barnes & Noble or Bookshop.org or by visiting www.lisakeefauver.com

Visit www.lisakeefauver.com to learn more about Lisa, sign up for her Not-So-Regular Newsletter, register for an upcoming online grief workshop or watch her TEDx talk, Why Knowing More About Grief Can Make it Suck Less.


You can find all the books featured on the show by visiting the Grief is a Sneaky Bitch Wishlist on Bookshop.org

Oh, and this season, if you want to WATCH the show, you can now watch it on YouTube @lisakeefauvermsw

Recorded September 8, 2023


Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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undefined - Emily Nagoski | Grief, Stress and Burnout

Emily Nagoski | Grief, Stress and Burnout

About this episode

Why are we talking about stress and burnout on a podcast about grief? Well, as you’ve likely experienced, grief is essentially a chronic stressor. This is particularly true in a culture that is grief avoidant, and where toxic positivity is rampant. Where we no longer live in tribes or communities that can help us discharge it. In essence, we’re left to our own devices to figure out how to be with our grief.

The good news is that today’s guest, Emily Nagoski, co-author of the phenomenal book Burnout: The Secret to Unlocking the Stress Cycle will help us unpack the myths of stress and help us understand the strategies we need to discharge the stress we experience in grief and in life.

Get ready! She is full of wisdom, stories, humor, energy and so much more. You are going to learn so much from her.

About the guest

Emily Nagoski is the award-winning author of the New York Times bestselling Come As You Are and The Come As You Are Workbook, and coauthor, with her sister, Amelia, of New York Times bestseller Burnout: The Secret to Unlocking the Stress Cycle. Her next book, Come Together: The Science (and Art!) of Creating Lasting Sexual Connections will be out in January 2024.


Emily earned an M.S. in counseling and a Ph.D. in health behavior, both from Indiana University, with clinical and research training at the Kinsey Institute. Now she combines sex education and stress education to teach women to live with confidence and joy inside their bodies. She lives in Massachusetts with two dogs, a cat, and a cartoonist.


Books and resources

You can find all the books featured on the show by visiting the Grief is a Sneaky Bitch Wishlist on Bookshop.org

You can learn more about all of Emily’s work and pick up a copy of her incredible book, Burnout, and the corresponding workbook by visiting www.emilynagoski.com. Stay tuned for her forthcoming book, Come Together, which drops January 2024.

You can learn more about Lisa’s work and pre-order a copy of her forthcoming book, Grief is a Sneaky Bitch: An Uncensored Guide to Navigating Loss by visiting www.lisakeefauver.com. While you’re there, you can sign up for her Not-So-Regular Newsletter, register for an upcoming online grief workshop or watch her TEDx talk, Why Knowing More About Grief Can Make it Suck Less.

Oh, and this season, if you want to WATCH the show, you can now watch it on YouTube @lisakeefauvermsw

Recorded August 25, 2023


Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Next Episode

undefined - Wendy MacNaughton | How to Say Goodbye

Wendy MacNaughton | How to Say Goodbye

As artist-in-residence at the Zen Hospice Project Guest House in San Francisco, Wendy MacNaughton witnessed firsthand how difficult it is to know what to do when we’re sharing final moments with a loved one. In this tenderly illustrated guide to saying goodbye, MacNaughton shows how to make sure those moments are meaningful. Using a framework of “the five things” taught to her by a professional caregiver, How to Say Goodbye provides a model for having conversations of love, respect, and closure: with the words “I forgive you,” “Please forgive me,” “Thank you,” “I love you,” and “Goodbye,” each oriented toward finding mutual peace and understanding when it matters most. In her book, and in our conversation in this episode, Wendy offers us a beautiful, poetic, masterful meditation on the art of presence as love.


If you liked this episode, you might also like my conversation with our mutual connection palliative Dr. BJ Miller. His episode, Unnecessary Suffering, aired in Season 3.

You can find all the books featured on the show, including How to Say Goodbye by Wendy MacNaughton by visiting the Grief is a Sneaky Bitch Wishlist on Bookshop.org


Visit www.wendymacnaughton.com to learn more about Wendy, and if you want weekly drawing lessons and assignments from Wendy delivered directly to your inbox, you can join the Grown-Ups Table.


Watch her TEDx Talk The Art of Paying Attention here: https://www.ted.com/talks/wendy_macnaughton_the_art_of_paying_attention?language=en

Host Lisa Keefauver’s forthcoming book Grief is a Sneaky Bitch: An Uncensored Guide to Navigating Loss IS NOW AVAILABLE FOR PRE-ORDER on Amazon.com, Barnes & Noble or Bookshop.org.

Visit www.lisakeefauver.com to learn more about Lisa, sign up for her Not-So-Regular Newsletter, register for an upcoming online grief workshop or watch her TEDx talk, Why Knowing More About Grief Can Make it Suck Less here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYtwSU-qaWc

Oh, and this season, if you want to WATCH the show, you can now watch it on YouTube @lisakeefauvermsw

Recorded September 16, 2023


Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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