194 - Charles Small - Debunking Misconceptions About CBT And Other Evidence-Based Practices (Plus there’s singing!)
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08/10/22 • 69 min
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I do not like CBT. Don't worry; I won't break into a salty Dr. Seuss-esque rhyme deriding cognitive behavioral therapy (although I could). But then Charles Small, LCSW, would kindly call me and my objections to CBT in rather than out.
I know this because that's how he's handled my grumbling in the past. He's one of those rare souls who can debate without derision, urging folks (like me) to hit pause long enough to trust his professional experience, reconsider the reams of evidence, and assess their (my) personal resistance through a more transparent lens. And you know what? Sometimes* I get it wrong about CBT.
Alright! Let's get ready to rumble! But not really. Our conversation isn't a CBT vs. NARM cage match. In fact (and I would only say this to you because we're friends), there are points along the healing trajectory where these two modalities intersect. "Where our actual locus of control is, for the most part, is in our behaviors,” says Charles.
This mindfulness component is just one example. Another is CBT's non-judgemental approach. "It's not that there's this moral right or wrong. Instead, if I'm gonna choose the sort of person I wanna be in the world, what do my behaviors have to look like?"
*I still hate CBT, though.
GUEST BIOCharles Small, LCSW, is a social worker providing therapy for adults at Cognitive Behavioral Associates of Chicago. Prior to private group practice, Charles worked with veterans of the US Armed Services at the Jesse Brown VA Medical Center and the Road Home Program at Rush, where he provided evidence-based psychotherapy for the treatment of PTSD, Military Sexual Trauma, and Moral Injury. Charles is also a lecturer at Crown Family School of Social Work, Policy, and Practice at the University of Chicago, offering courses on Social Work with Veterans and Evidence-based Therapies for treating PTSD.
For full show notes, resources, and links to connect with our guest, visit: https://www.headhearttherapy.com/podcast
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I do not like CBT. Don't worry; I won't break into a salty Dr. Seuss-esque rhyme deriding cognitive behavioral therapy (although I could). But then Charles Small, LCSW, would kindly call me and my objections to CBT in rather than out.
I know this because that's how he's handled my grumbling in the past. He's one of those rare souls who can debate without derision, urging folks (like me) to hit pause long enough to trust his professional experience, reconsider the reams of evidence, and assess their (my) personal resistance through a more transparent lens. And you know what? Sometimes* I get it wrong about CBT.
Alright! Let's get ready to rumble! But not really. Our conversation isn't a CBT vs. NARM cage match. In fact (and I would only say this to you because we're friends), there are points along the healing trajectory where these two modalities intersect. "Where our actual locus of control is, for the most part, is in our behaviors,” says Charles.
This mindfulness component is just one example. Another is CBT's non-judgemental approach. "It's not that there's this moral right or wrong. Instead, if I'm gonna choose the sort of person I wanna be in the world, what do my behaviors have to look like?"
*I still hate CBT, though.
GUEST BIOCharles Small, LCSW, is a social worker providing therapy for adults at Cognitive Behavioral Associates of Chicago. Prior to private group practice, Charles worked with veterans of the US Armed Services at the Jesse Brown VA Medical Center and the Road Home Program at Rush, where he provided evidence-based psychotherapy for the treatment of PTSD, Military Sexual Trauma, and Moral Injury. Charles is also a lecturer at Crown Family School of Social Work, Policy, and Practice at the University of Chicago, offering courses on Social Work with Veterans and Evidence-based Therapies for treating PTSD.
For full show notes, resources, and links to connect with our guest, visit: https://www.headhearttherapy.com/podcast
***
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193 - Liz Dubé - Sexual Healing, One Bedroom At A Time
Liz Dubé, MA, MS, has one of the best professional introductions on the planet. “I want to heal the world one bedroom at a time.” For the record, Liz is a certified sex therapist, not a sex surrogate. In other words, she gets talky with her clients, not touchy. If visions of the Netflix show “Sex Education” come to mind or Dr. Ruth Westheimer answering embarrassing questions on her weekly radio show with sincerity and smarts, you’re on the right path.
We live in a world working overtime to cleave us from our innate sexuality. No wonder we disembodied creatures have difficulty connecting, regardless of our trauma histories. Hell, even the most “together” of relationships might struggle with the sexual part of intimacy. “Maybe a part of you thinks I'm not enough, I'm defective, I'm broken, I'm a fraud––all these things that so many of us relate to show up in the bedroom,” says Liz.
You’re not broken; intimacy is overwhelming! Addressing trauma and restoring desire doesn’t have to be. In addition to her psychotherapy practice, Liz offers a 4-week coaching program to empower women. She also shares adult sex education tips via her YouTube and TikTok channels. “So many people come to me, saying, ‘Liz, can I be healed?’ And I'm like, f*ck, yeah, you can!”
Drs. Jean Milburn and Ruth Westheimer would be proud.
GUEST BIO
Liz Dubé (sounds like Doobay), a Certified Sex Therapist, Coach and Licensed Marriage & Family Therapist, loves working with people who want to better understand themselves sexually and feel sexually empowered. She's helped thousands of men, women, and couples who were feeling stuck sexually and is working her ass off to save the world one bedroom at a time.
For full show notes, resources, and links to connect with our guest, visit: https://www.headhearttherapy.com/podcast
***
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195 - Mia Park - Challenging What It Means To Be Whole
The longest, most important, and, let’s be honest, most frustrating relationship of our lives is the one we have with ourselves. How amazing, then, to connect with someone who gets the struggle and sits alongside us in that space. Mia Park is one of those people for me. For a lot of folks.
A talented, multidimensional artist based in Chicago, she’s fueled by a boundless enthusiasm for community engagement through acting, producing events, teaching yoga, and more. Through these myriad pursuits, Mia cultivates kinship with others while deepening her relationship with herself.
“I work hard on relationships because they're fearful for me in many ways.” The admission acts as a preface to Mia’s challenging backstory. Perhaps it’s because of her difficult childhood that she’s so committed to making connections across different communities in multifaceted ways.
Mia’s definition of wholeness is nothing like the commercialized ideal of completeness. “The body is never balanced. We’re never gonna be whole, and that's part of the struggle and the acceptance of the struggle––and I think that's okay.”
She pauses to offer an addendum. “I believe we are 100% whole.” Even amid our failures, redirects, and mulligans. Even when we opt not to forgive those who’ve caused us harm. “The ability to make peace with and accept yourself, forgive yourself, I think that's a byproduct of becoming whole.”
Wherever we go, there we are, already in our wholeness.
GUEST BIOMia Park is a multi-dimensional artist based in Chicago. Boundless enthusiasm fuels her community engagement through acting, producing events, teaching yoga, and more.
For full show notes, resources, and links to connect with our guest, visit: https://www.headhearttherapy.com/podcast
***
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