
Terminal tools, with Michelle Lim & Zach Lloyd (Warp) - S02E10
03/10/22 • 28 min
In this episode we speak to Michelle Lim and Zach Lloyd, both of Warp, a terminal designed to make developer workflows more productive. We discuss the historical significance of physical terminals, terminal emulators, pseudo-terminals and the shell. We also explore why Rust is a better technology choice than Electron for building a new terminal, why GPU acceleration matters, how it works with the macOS Metal APIs, and discuss the challenges garbage collection brings to high performance UIs.
Get early access to Warp with this special invite code: https://app.warp.dev/download/r/1CNSLE
About Michelle Lim & Zach Lloyd
Zach Lloyd is the founder and CEO of Warp, a Rust-based terminal for developers. Michelle is a software engineer who joined early on. Prior to Warp Zach co-founded SelfMade, was CTO at Time Inc., and ran the Google Sheets team at Google. Michelle graduated from Yale and previously worked at Robinhood, Slack, and Facebook.
Other things mentioned:
- iTerm
- VT100
- tmux
- Fish
- SSH
- bash
- GitHub Actions
- Rust
- Electron
- Garbage collection
- OpenAl
- Metal
- Xcode
- OpenAi Codex
- Retool
- Keyron
- CLion
- Logitech Ergo K8060
Let us know what you think on Twitter:
https://twitter.com/consoledotdev
https://twitter.com/davidmytton
https://twitter.com/michlimlim
https://twitter.com/zachlloydtweets/
Or by email: [email protected]
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Console is the place developers go to find the best tools. Our weekly newsletter picks out the most interesting tools and new releases. We keep track of everything - dev tools, devops, cloud, and APIs - so you don’t have to.
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Recorded: 2021-11-02.
In this episode we speak to Michelle Lim and Zach Lloyd, both of Warp, a terminal designed to make developer workflows more productive. We discuss the historical significance of physical terminals, terminal emulators, pseudo-terminals and the shell. We also explore why Rust is a better technology choice than Electron for building a new terminal, why GPU acceleration matters, how it works with the macOS Metal APIs, and discuss the challenges garbage collection brings to high performance UIs.
Get early access to Warp with this special invite code: https://app.warp.dev/download/r/1CNSLE
About Michelle Lim & Zach Lloyd
Zach Lloyd is the founder and CEO of Warp, a Rust-based terminal for developers. Michelle is a software engineer who joined early on. Prior to Warp Zach co-founded SelfMade, was CTO at Time Inc., and ran the Google Sheets team at Google. Michelle graduated from Yale and previously worked at Robinhood, Slack, and Facebook.
Other things mentioned:
- iTerm
- VT100
- tmux
- Fish
- SSH
- bash
- GitHub Actions
- Rust
- Electron
- Garbage collection
- OpenAl
- Metal
- Xcode
- OpenAi Codex
- Retool
- Keyron
- CLion
- Logitech Ergo K8060
Let us know what you think on Twitter:
https://twitter.com/consoledotdev
https://twitter.com/davidmytton
https://twitter.com/michlimlim
https://twitter.com/zachlloydtweets/
Or by email: [email protected]
About Console
Console is the place developers go to find the best tools. Our weekly newsletter picks out the most interesting tools and new releases. We keep track of everything - dev tools, devops, cloud, and APIs - so you don’t have to.
Sign up for free at: https://console.dev
Recorded: 2021-11-02.
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Designing dev products, with Ellen Chisa (Boldstart) - S02E09
In this episode we speak to Ellen Chisa, who was previously CEO of Dark, a programming language startup that allowed you to focus on your backend code and forget about frameworks, deployments, and infrastructure. We discuss whether that is the right way to think about coding, where no code or low code fits into the modern development stack, how developers should think about open source and the challenges of building dev tools versus getting developers to actually use them.
About Ellen Chisa
Ellen Chisa is a founder, angel investor, and engineer. She created Dark, a programming language coupled to its editor and infrastructure. Previously, she was the first employee at Lola, combining the best of technology and people for travel planning. Ellen Chisa is currently a Founder in Residence at Boldstart Ventures.
Things mentioned:
- The Self Provisioning Runtime - Shawn Wang
- Bret Victor
- Chris Granger
- Lambdragon
- Future of Coding
- Steve Krouse
- Dark
- Visual Studio Code
- Azure
- Red Hat
- MongoDB
- Elastic
Let us know what you think on Twitter:
https://twitter.com/consoledotdev
https://twitter.com/davidmytton
https://twitter.com/ellenchisa
Or by email: [email protected]
About Console
Console is the place developers go to find the best tools. Our weekly newsletter picks out the most interesting tools and new releases. We keep track of everything - dev tools, devops, cloud, and APIs - so you don’t have to.
Sign up for free at: https://console.dev
Recorded: 2021-10-12.
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Developer experience, with Jean Yang (Akita) - S02E11
In this episode we speak with Jean Yang, CEO of Akita Software, an API observability startup, which she founded after leaving her role in academia as a computer science professor. We discussed the software heterogeneity problem, why it isn't better to rewrite in rust and how the language wars have actually been won. We also explore how the big fight today is about infrastructure and why microservices are the solution to the ever-growing complexity of software.
About Jean Yang
Jean Yang is the founder and CEO of Akita Software, a developer tools company that is bringing structure to observability. Previously, Jean was a professor of Computer Science at Carnegie Mellon University. Jean has a PhD from MIT, holds software tools patents from work at Microsoft Research and Facebook, and was selected as one of the MIT Technology Review's 35 Innovators Under 35 in 2016.
Other things mentioned:
- Zenoss
- Taming Go’s Memory Usage, or How We Avoided Rewriting Our Client in Rust
- Splunk
- Datadog
- Prometheus
- Grafana
- The Everything store
- Zapier
- Clay
- Zoom Bachelor - https://www.zoombachelor.com/
- Zoom bachelorette
- Vim
- #PLTalk
Let us know what you think on Twitter:
https://twitter.com/consoledotdev
https://twitter.com/davidmytton
https://twitter.com/jeanqasaur
Or by email: [email protected]
About Console
Console is the place developers go to find the best tools. Our weekly newsletter picks out the most interesting tools and new releases. We keep track of everything - dev tools, devops, cloud, and APIs - so you don’t have to.
Sign up for free at: https://console.dev.
Recorded: 2021-11-19
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