CR099: UK Government sustainability & AI with Liam Walsh and Paul Mukherjee, Defra
05/15/25 • 40 min
Understanding the true environmental cost of digital innovation is crucial for governments aiming to embed sustainability into their digital delivery processes. Governments are embedding sustainability into the heart of digital delivery. Can governments ensure that their digital advancements contribute positively to the environment while maintaining efficiency and effectiveness in their services?
This week, Dave, Esmee, and Rob talk to Liam Walsh, Chief Architect, and Paul Mukherjee, CTO at the UK Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (Defra), to explore how the UK government is embedding sustainability into the heart of digital delivery—and holding tech suppliers accountable.
TLDR
00:32 Introduction of Liam Walsh and Paul Mukherjee
01:47 Rob is not confused but Marcel has frustrations with the slow pace of AI implementation
05:50 Discussion with Liam and Paul on integrating sustainability within government operations
31:17 The significance of Fusion Teams
36:18 Attending a gig and reading AI books in front of the caravan
Guests
Liam Walsh: https://www.linkedin.com/in/liamjameswalsh/
Paul Mukherjee: https://www.linkedin.com/in/paulmukherjee/
Hosts
Dave Chapman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/
Esmee van de Giessen: https://www.linkedin.com/in/esmeevandegiessen/
Rob Kernahan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rob-kernahan/
Production
Marcel van der Burg: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcel-vd-burg/
Dave Chapman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/
Sound
Ben Corbett: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ben-corbett-3b6a11135/
Louis Corbett: https://www.linkedin.com/in/louis-corbett-087250264/
'Cloud Realities' is an original podcast from Capgemini
Understanding the true environmental cost of digital innovation is crucial for governments aiming to embed sustainability into their digital delivery processes. Governments are embedding sustainability into the heart of digital delivery. Can governments ensure that their digital advancements contribute positively to the environment while maintaining efficiency and effectiveness in their services?
This week, Dave, Esmee, and Rob talk to Liam Walsh, Chief Architect, and Paul Mukherjee, CTO at the UK Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (Defra), to explore how the UK government is embedding sustainability into the heart of digital delivery—and holding tech suppliers accountable.
TLDR
00:32 Introduction of Liam Walsh and Paul Mukherjee
01:47 Rob is not confused but Marcel has frustrations with the slow pace of AI implementation
05:50 Discussion with Liam and Paul on integrating sustainability within government operations
31:17 The significance of Fusion Teams
36:18 Attending a gig and reading AI books in front of the caravan
Guests
Liam Walsh: https://www.linkedin.com/in/liamjameswalsh/
Paul Mukherjee: https://www.linkedin.com/in/paulmukherjee/
Hosts
Dave Chapman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/
Esmee van de Giessen: https://www.linkedin.com/in/esmeevandegiessen/
Rob Kernahan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rob-kernahan/
Production
Marcel van der Burg: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcel-vd-burg/
Dave Chapman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/
Sound
Ben Corbett: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ben-corbett-3b6a11135/
Louis Corbett: https://www.linkedin.com/in/louis-corbett-087250264/
'Cloud Realities' is an original podcast from Capgemini
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CR098 Knowledge 2025 special, part 2: Key ServiceNow announcements with Amanda Joslin, ServiceNow
At Knowledge 2025, the spotlight is on big announcements and bold innovations—but we’re taking you behind the scene!.
In this two-part special, we dive into the engine driving ServiceNow’s evolution, with exclusive conversations you won’t hear on the main stage.
In Part 2, Dave, Esmee, and Rob speak with Amanda Joslin, Senior Director of Platform and AI Innovation Product Management at ServiceNow, about the latest announcements from Knowledge 2025. They discuss how AI is being embedded directly into workflows and customer experiences through proactive, intelligent automation.
TLDR
02:09 Introduction of Amanda Joslin and Knowledge 2025
02:48 Rob is confused about seating at large conferences
09:45 Conversation with Amanda Joslin on the main announcements at Knowledge 2025 and the ServiceNow platform
52:20 Kill the Backlog and moving toward a zero-backlog operating model
57:32 Jamaica, sunshine, and the sea
Guest
Amanda Joslin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/amandajoslin/
Hosts
Dave Chapman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/
Esmee van de Giessen: https://www.linkedin.com/in/esmeevandegiessen/
Rob Kernahan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rob-kernahan/
Production
Marcel van der Burg: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcel-vd-burg/
Dave Chapman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/
Sound
Ben Corbett: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ben-corbett-3b6a11135/
Louis Corbett: https://www.linkedin.com/in/louis-corbett-087250264/
'Cloud Realities' is an original podcast from Capgemini
Next Episode
CR100: Intelligence age ethics (in 2025) with James Wilson and Philip Harker [AAA]
[AAA] In 'Access All Areas' shows we go behind the scenes with the crew and their friends as they dive into complex challenges that organisations face—sometimes getting a little messy along the way.
This week, in what may or may not be our 100th episode, Dave, Esmee and Rob talk to James Wilson, AI Ethicist and Lead Gen AI Architect and Philip Harker, Advisory Lead, Insights and Data at Capgemini UK, about exploring the deep importance of ethics as we move forward into the intelligence age.
TLDR
00:42 Is this really our 100th episode or not?
04:38 What is a team AAA episode and welcoming James and Philip
06:12 Rob sets the stage, why AI Ethics matters
09:42 In-depth chat with James and Philip
59:11 Exploring AI and quantum as innovation boosters
1:06:00 A quiet weekend and Safe AI for Kids
Guests
James Wilson: https://www.linkedin.com/in/james-wilson-1938a1/
Philip Harker: https://www.linkedin.com/in/philip-harker-243300/
Hosts
Dave Chapman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/
Esmee van de Giessen: https://www.linkedin.com/in/esmeevandegiessen/
Rob Kernahan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rob-kernahan/
Production
Marcel van der Burg: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcel-vd-burg/
Dave Chapman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/
Sound
Ben Corbett: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ben-corbett-3b6a11135/
Louis Corbett: https://www.linkedin.com/in/louis-corbett-087250264/
'Cloud Realities' is an original podcast from Capgemini
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