
CR002: The CxO perspective on cloud with Daniel Hartert
11/24/22 • 33 min
In our three launch episodes, Dave and Sjoukje look at the cloud market from three different angles: the market itself, how CxO’s are viewing that market and from a personal leadership experience perspective.
In this second episode, they talk to CxO Advisor, Daniel Hartert to get insights into the conversations he is currently having with CxOs on driving value from of the cloud in their organisations and the challenges they face. He also shares his personal journey with the cloud. Finally, they talk about how current economic environment will influence decision making on cloud over the coming years.
TLDR:
- 00:43 Intros
- 03:00 Cloud conversation with Daniel Hartert
- 26:59 Cloud cost
- 32:09 A nice weekend!
In our three launch episodes, Dave and Sjoukje look at the cloud market from three different angles: the market itself, how CxO’s are viewing that market and from a personal leadership experience perspective.
In this second episode, they talk to CxO Advisor, Daniel Hartert to get insights into the conversations he is currently having with CxOs on driving value from of the cloud in their organisations and the challenges they face. He also shares his personal journey with the cloud. Finally, they talk about how current economic environment will influence decision making on cloud over the coming years.
TLDR:
- 00:43 Intros
- 03:00 Cloud conversation with Daniel Hartert
- 26:59 Cloud cost
- 32:09 A nice weekend!
Previous Episode

CR001: Cloud definitions and 2023 Trends overview
In our three launch episodes, Dave and Sjoukje look at the cloud market from three different angles: the market itself, how CxO’s are viewing that market and from a personal leadership experience perspective.
In this first episode, they discuss some basic definitions for aspects of the cloud, to level set, then go on to talk about the current trends that are being felt industry wide and that are likely to impact 2023 and beyond. Finally, they discuss the latest in AI image creation, DALL-E, and its possibilities.
TLDR:
- 00:39 Intros
- 03:09 Cloud conversation: Definitions
- 15:32 Cloud conversation: Trends 2023
- 28:10 DALL-E
Next Episode

CR003: The role of leadership in cloud value creation with Alastair Kidd
In our three launch episodes, Dave and Sjoukje look at the cloud market from three different angles: the market itself, how CxO’s are viewing that market and from a personal leadership experience perspective.
In our final launch episode, they talk to Systemic Leadership Sherpa, Alastair Kidd about how embarking on a cloud transformation journey could also be a personal development journey! How that could help reframe your leadership action to more effectively drive business value out of the cloud and why you need to be aware of the Complexity Paradox! Finally, they talk about Googles recent announcement about opening new regions in Europe and speculate on why.
TLDR:
- 01:07 Intros
- 01:51 Cloud conversation with Alastair Kidd
- 22:10 The complexity paradox
- 28:20 Why so many cloud regions?
- 32:32 Chickens!
Further Reading:
https://hbr.org/2007/11/a-leaders-framework-for-decision-making
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