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Build Your SaaS - Jason Fried wants to delete our backlog

Jason Fried wants to delete our backlog

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08/06/19 • 51 min

Build Your SaaS

Justin and Jon are joined by Jason Fried to talk about:

  • The philosophy behind their new book Shape Up.
  • Does Basecamp's approach to 6-week cycles differ for smaller teams?
  • "Long projects destroy morale. When things don't ship, you get frustrated." – Jason Fried
  • Why projects ship late (it's human nature).
  • Why work is like a hill.
  • How they make product decisions at Basecamp.
  • How do you know what you should work on next?
  • Why they don't believe in backlogs.
  • "That feeling of 'there's nothing to do, but there's everything to do' shouldn't be happening." – Jason Fried
  • "You need a system at some point. When you have two people, you can hack your way to anything. But as soon as you grow, you'll need a system." – Jason Fried
  • "What we have is not a perfect system. And even if it was, we don't execute these things perfectly." – Jason Fried

★ Thanks to our sponsors:

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You can reply to this podcast here:

Thanks to our monthly supporters:

Thanks to our monthly supporters
  • Pascal from sharpen.page
  • Rewardful.com
  • Greg Park
  • Mitchell Davis from RecruitKit.com.au
  • Marcel Fahle, wearebold.af
  • Bill Condo (@mavrck)
  • Ward from MemberSpace.com
  • Evandro Sasse
  • Austin Loveless
  • Michael Sitver
  • Colin Gray
  • Dave Giunta

Want to start a podcast on Transistor? Justin has a special coupon for you: get 15% off your first year of hosting: transistor.fm/justin

★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★
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Justin and Jon are joined by Jason Fried to talk about:

  • The philosophy behind their new book Shape Up.
  • Does Basecamp's approach to 6-week cycles differ for smaller teams?
  • "Long projects destroy morale. When things don't ship, you get frustrated." – Jason Fried
  • Why projects ship late (it's human nature).
  • Why work is like a hill.
  • How they make product decisions at Basecamp.
  • How do you know what you should work on next?
  • Why they don't believe in backlogs.
  • "That feeling of 'there's nothing to do, but there's everything to do' shouldn't be happening." – Jason Fried
  • "You need a system at some point. When you have two people, you can hack your way to anything. But as soon as you grow, you'll need a system." – Jason Fried
  • "What we have is not a perfect system. And even if it was, we don't execute these things perfectly." – Jason Fried

★ Thanks to our sponsors:

Show notes:

You can reply to this podcast here:

Thanks to our monthly supporters:

Thanks to our monthly supporters
  • Pascal from sharpen.page
  • Rewardful.com
  • Greg Park
  • Mitchell Davis from RecruitKit.com.au
  • Marcel Fahle, wearebold.af
  • Bill Condo (@mavrck)
  • Ward from MemberSpace.com
  • Evandro Sasse
  • Austin Loveless
  • Michael Sitver
  • Colin Gray
  • Dave Giunta

Want to start a podcast on Transistor? Justin has a special coupon for you: get 15% off your first year of hosting: transistor.fm/justin

★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

Previous Episode

undefined - No sleep 'till Brooklyn (what we learned in New York)

No sleep 'till Brooklyn (what we learned in New York)

Big week. Justin was in New York and Jon found an office!

  • Justin lost his voice.
  • Jon doesn't work from home or coffee shops anymore.
  • Jon found an office: "It’s inexpensive, but quiet, with nice people in a nice area. Inexpensive enough to where I won’t feel bad if I do want to work elsewhere once in a while."
  • Justin's Spotify visit (very interesting).
  • Laracon conference on Times Square (Justin was the MC and gave a talk)
  • Met with a few customers:
  • Justin also met with his friend Nathan who now works at Happy Cog and went out with a mutual friend (Mike) who introduced him to someone who works for Amazon, and another fellow who does BizDev & Strategy for Sony Music Global.
  • Jon: “This all would have exhausted me!” ;)

★ Thanks to our sponsors:

Show notes:

You can reply to this podcast here:

Thanks to our monthly supporters:

Thanks to our monthly supporters
  • Pascal from sharpen.page
  • Rewardful.com
  • Greg Park
  • Mitchell Davis from RecruitKit.com.au
  • Marcel Fahle, wearebold.af
  • Bill Condo (@mavrck)
  • Ward from MemberSpace.com
  • Evandro Sasse
  • Austin Loveless
  • Michael Sitver
  • Colin Gray
  • Dave Giunta

Want to start a podcast on Transistor? Justin has a special coupon for you: get 15% off your first year of hosting: transistor.fm/justin

Next Episode

undefined - How we're Shaping Up

How we're Shaping Up

Justin and Jon have started the process of implementing Shape Up.

  • Lots of folks feel like it’d be hard to implement in their team
    • "This would be hard at my agency."
    • “What about feature requests? Is the idea that you also don't write those down?”
    • “Hmm no backlogs? Maybe I am not understanding some backstory/context? Where do they put ideas, comments, quick bits that they might look at later on”
  • Some backlash against the “cult of Basecamp”
  • But the majority of folks were really interested in Jason’s approach.
  • See how our first "shaping" experiment went.

★ Thanks to our sponsors:

Show notes:

You can reply to this podcast here:

Thanks to our monthly supporters:

Thanks to our monthly supporters
  • Pascal from sharpen.page
  • Rewardful.com
  • Greg Park
  • Mitchell Davis from RecruitKit.com.au
  • Marcel Fahle, wearebold.af
  • Bill Condo (@mavrck)
  • Ward from MemberSpace.com
  • Evandro Sasse
  • Austin Loveless
  • Michael Sitver
  • Colin Gray
  • Dave Giunta

Want to start a podcast on Transistor? Justin has a special coupon for you: get 15% off your first year of hosting: transistor.fm/justin

★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

Build Your SaaS - Jason Fried wants to delete our backlog

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