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Boundaryless Conversations Podcast - S04 Ep. 20 Bill Fischer and Lisa Gansky - A Situational Update on our Ecosystemic Future

S04 Ep. 20 Bill Fischer and Lisa Gansky - A Situational Update on our Ecosystemic Future

07/10/23 • 54 min

Boundaryless Conversations Podcast

In this season’s final episode, we talk to Bill Fischer and Lisa Gansky about how our old ideas of what's normal are disappearing. There is a need to bridge the gap between old and emerging systems, encouraging exploration and experimentation to unlock our Ecosystemic Future.

Bill Fischer has spent his entire career involved in innovation, from being a practicing development engineer in industry and government, to being an academic researcher, teacher, and writer, to being involved in several startups. He is currently a Senior Lecturer at the Sloan School of Management, at MIT, and an Emeritus Professor of Innovation Management at IMD, in Lausanne, Switzerland. Lisa Gansky is a social provocateur, serial entrepreneur, angel investor, advisor, international keynote speaker, and author of the bestselling book, “The Mesh: Why the Future of Business is Sharing”. Her work on trust, the sharing economy, and innovation has been central in rethinking 21st-century governance, business models, and community dynamics.

The challenges organizations face in adapting to rapid change show that traditional organizational structures are no longer working. To adapt to the changing landscape, a combination of AI, Web3 technologies, and new governance models can enable flexible and modular ways of organizing.

New promises emerge through the overlap between organizations and software, unlocking new ecosystem potential where different players and customers come together, focusing on local relationships and embracing transience for more innovative solutions.

Above all, it’s important to keep up with optionality and dynamism, both key to the nature of Ecosystemic thinking: co-creation and increasing diversity and variance are going to be essential in the markets of the future.

These elements provide the backdrop for this Situational Update on our Ecosystemic Future.

Key Highlights
👉 The “not yet” is moving faster than the speed at which organizations can adapt.
👉 Un-centralizing for the future: creating smaller units with more autonomy.
👉 Challenges ahead: technology, jobs, and rethinking traditional career paths.
👉 The old model of “define, refine, and scale” is being disrupted by something more turbulent and community-oriented.
👉 The S-curve of technology is getting shorter, and the narrative behind it is different.
👉 Companies need T-shaped individuals to serve as hubs of people within ecosystems.
👉 Everything is 100% temporal, but our legal systems, tax codes, and educational systems can’t keep up with that model.

Topics / chapters
(00:00) Dynamic Models and Local Engagement: Nature's Inspiration for Future Relationships
(01:24) Bill Fischer and Lisa Gansky introduction
(02:58) Adapting Products, Services, and Work in an Uncertain World
(14:27) Redefining Careers: From Hierarchy to Portfolio of Projects
(23:31) Exploring the Potential of Web3 Governance and Programmable Protocols
(39:46) The Path to Coherence: Navigating the Convergence and Variance in Future Markets
(51:05) Bill Fischer and Lisa Gansky’s breadcrumbs

Remember that you can always find transcripts and key highlights of the episode on our website: https://boundaryless.io/podcast/lisa-gansky-and-bill-fischer

Recorded on April 13, 2023.

Find out more about the show and the research at Boundaryless at https://boundaryless.io/resources/podcast

Get in touch with Boundaryless:

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In this season’s final episode, we talk to Bill Fischer and Lisa Gansky about how our old ideas of what's normal are disappearing. There is a need to bridge the gap between old and emerging systems, encouraging exploration and experimentation to unlock our Ecosystemic Future.

Bill Fischer has spent his entire career involved in innovation, from being a practicing development engineer in industry and government, to being an academic researcher, teacher, and writer, to being involved in several startups. He is currently a Senior Lecturer at the Sloan School of Management, at MIT, and an Emeritus Professor of Innovation Management at IMD, in Lausanne, Switzerland. Lisa Gansky is a social provocateur, serial entrepreneur, angel investor, advisor, international keynote speaker, and author of the bestselling book, “The Mesh: Why the Future of Business is Sharing”. Her work on trust, the sharing economy, and innovation has been central in rethinking 21st-century governance, business models, and community dynamics.

The challenges organizations face in adapting to rapid change show that traditional organizational structures are no longer working. To adapt to the changing landscape, a combination of AI, Web3 technologies, and new governance models can enable flexible and modular ways of organizing.

New promises emerge through the overlap between organizations and software, unlocking new ecosystem potential where different players and customers come together, focusing on local relationships and embracing transience for more innovative solutions.

Above all, it’s important to keep up with optionality and dynamism, both key to the nature of Ecosystemic thinking: co-creation and increasing diversity and variance are going to be essential in the markets of the future.

These elements provide the backdrop for this Situational Update on our Ecosystemic Future.

Key Highlights
👉 The “not yet” is moving faster than the speed at which organizations can adapt.
👉 Un-centralizing for the future: creating smaller units with more autonomy.
👉 Challenges ahead: technology, jobs, and rethinking traditional career paths.
👉 The old model of “define, refine, and scale” is being disrupted by something more turbulent and community-oriented.
👉 The S-curve of technology is getting shorter, and the narrative behind it is different.
👉 Companies need T-shaped individuals to serve as hubs of people within ecosystems.
👉 Everything is 100% temporal, but our legal systems, tax codes, and educational systems can’t keep up with that model.

Topics / chapters
(00:00) Dynamic Models and Local Engagement: Nature's Inspiration for Future Relationships
(01:24) Bill Fischer and Lisa Gansky introduction
(02:58) Adapting Products, Services, and Work in an Uncertain World
(14:27) Redefining Careers: From Hierarchy to Portfolio of Projects
(23:31) Exploring the Potential of Web3 Governance and Programmable Protocols
(39:46) The Path to Coherence: Navigating the Convergence and Variance in Future Markets
(51:05) Bill Fischer and Lisa Gansky’s breadcrumbs

Remember that you can always find transcripts and key highlights of the episode on our website: https://boundaryless.io/podcast/lisa-gansky-and-bill-fischer

Recorded on April 13, 2023.

Find out more about the show and the research at Boundaryless at https://boundaryless.io/resources/podcast

Get in touch with Boundaryless:

Music
Music from Liosound / Walter Mobilio. Find his portfolio here: https://blss.io/Podcast-Music

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undefined - S04 Ep. 19 Justice Conder - Smart Contracts: eating the 1st Mile of Agile Organizations

S04 Ep. 19 Justice Conder - Smart Contracts: eating the 1st Mile of Agile Organizations

In this episode, we dive into the world of smart contracts and their remarkable impact on organizational design. Our guest, Justice Conder, provides a thought-provoking introduction to what he calls the third law of nature of smart contracts. We explore the transformative journey from traditional corporations to the realm of Decentralized Autonomous Organizations (DAOs), maintaining a non-ideological mindset and examining the challenges of bridging the gap between the two paradigms.

Justice Conder leads DAO Ecosystem Development at Polygon Labs. Previously, he was a full-stack developer and Agile practitioner for over ten years, and entered the world of DAOs through BanklessDAO, where he contributed as a governance solution engineer. With Justice, we explore the disconnect between DAOs and traditional organizations, investigating how smart contracts—as a conceptual evolution of DevOps—could play a pivotal role in driving organizational transformation. We also discuss how pioneering transformations, like Haier’s Rendanheyi management model, have a symbiotic relationship with the on-chain revolution, offering insights into the future of organizational design and management.

Get ready to be inspired by the immense potential of Web3 capabilities in product development, and discover how these capabilities can be harnessed to unleash innovation, foster user engagement, and shape the future of products and organizations.

Key Highlights
👉 Smart Contracts and the Third Law of Nature
👉 DAOs are ideologically framed: a movement for more equitable organizations
👉 DACs (corporations) rather than DAOs (organizations) may be the space where most promises of smart organization lie
👉 DAOs can magnify rather than solve the tragedy of the commons if leadership is missing
👉 Progressive decentralization is better than presumptive
👉 To be on top of organizational transformation, you need to look far ahead of the current state

Topics / chapters
(00:00) Smart Contracts: The Unbreakable Third Law of Nature
(00:55) Justin introduction
(01:51) From the traditional world into the DAO world
(04:40) Bridging the Gap: Exploring the Disconnect Between DAOs and Traditional Organizations
(18:13) The Role of DevOps, Smart Contracts, and DAOs in Organizational Transformation
(27:23) Rendanheyi and the On-Chain Revolution: the Future of Organizational Management
(41:47) Unleashing the Potential: Harnessing Web3 Capabilities for Product Development
(54:43) Justice Conder's breadcrumbs

Remember that you can always find transcripts and key highlights of the episode on our website: https://boundaryless.io/podcast/justice-conder

Recorded on June 2, 2023.

Find out more about the show and the research at Boundaryless at https://boundaryless.io/resources/podcast

Get in touch with Boundaryless:

Music
Music from Liosound / Walter Mobilio. Find his portfolio here: https://blss.io/Podcast-Music

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undefined - Season Wrap Up: Emerging Questions on the Future of Platform Organizations

Season Wrap Up: Emerging Questions on the Future of Platform Organizations

In this season wrap up, podcast hosts Simone Cicero and Stina Heikkilä talk about the new research compass of Boundaryless and ruminate on some of the gems of the season.Simone and Stina also share some highlights from the long list of episodes of the Boundaryless Conversations podcast — almost 90 and counting! — and provide some pointers for future research.

It’s worth catching up with the ideas in the recent blog A Research Compass: Platform-Ecosystem Thinking in 2023 when listening to the wrap up.

Some of the topics that stood out forming the substance of the new compass include:

  • AI and other technological enablers
  • A new product management framing
  • Building Ecosystemically
  • Software-powered Organizational Evolutions
  • A new Organizational Focus on Resilience

The wrap up provides a good appetizer for the upcoming season, which will have some novelties and more co-hosts in store.

A special shout-out to Stina who won’t be co-hosting the next season of the podcast. It’s been a great ride and we’re sure that she’ll be back co-hosting more episodes in the future!

Find out more about the show and the research at Boundaryless at https://boundaryless.io/resources/podcast

Get in touch with Boundaryless:

Music Music from Liosound / Walter Mobilio. Find his portfolio here: https://blss.io/Podcast-Music

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