Beyond Asian: Stories of the Third Culture - S2 | E8 - Unblocking Love: Healing Relationships with Asian Parents Through Vulnerability and Understanding, with Johnson Hsieh (2 of 2)

S2 | E8 - Unblocking Love: Healing Relationships with Asian Parents Through Vulnerability and Understanding, with Johnson Hsieh (2 of 2)

06/14/23 • 53 min

Beyond Asian: Stories of the Third Culture

In this week's episode, we dive into the complex process of healing and improving relationships with parents, particularly in Asian cultures. Our new Ask Me Anything segment features psychoanalyst Dr. Salman Akhtar's article on "A Third Individuation, Immigration, Identity, and the Psychoanalytic Process," providing a resource for third culture individuals to understand themselves better.
Read "A Third Individuation", by Dr. Salman Akhtar here: https://immaterial.sfai.edu/features/here-and-yet/documents/A-THIRD-INDIVIDUATION-IMMIGRATIONidentity-and-the-psychoanalitical-process.pdf
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In today's episode featuring Johnson Hsieh, we explore the concept of third individuation and the importance of unblocking love, tearing down internal barriers that prevent true connection. We delve into the challenges of evolving relationships with parents, examining our own perceptions and biases, and setting boundaries. We emphasize the importance of communication, understanding, and forgiveness in relationships, highlighted by our personal experiences and those of our guests. Join us as we explore the ongoing effort of trying to improve relationships by being vulnerable, expressing oneself, and actively listening.
Don't forget to support us by becoming a patron on patreon.com/beyondasian. Tune in now to Beyond Asian: Stories of the Third Culture, where we believe that understanding and empathy towards others are vital to building meaningful relationships with our Asian parents.
Topics
- A Third individuation in immigrants
- Kanye West's "everything is the same"
- Understanding and empathy towards parents
- Unblocking love to improve relationships
- Navigating cultural differences and setting boundaries
- Understanding interrupting in communication
- Therapy and exploring emotions
- Importance of open communication
- Accepting challenges in infinite game
- Finding progress and hope in small shifts
- Impact of self-reflection and self-acceptance
Notable Quotes
"Immigration from one country to another is a complex and multifaceted psychosocial process with significant and lasting effects on an individual's identity."
"The idea that the individuation process may never quite stop happening for third culture people invites a continuous process of creativity and of reinvention."
"Grief is love with nowhere to go. It's love that has had nowhere to go for decades, and now it can finally flow."
Keywords

Immigration process 2. Dr. Salman Akhtar 3. Psychoanalytic process 4. Third individuation 5. Psychosocial development theory 6. Third culture individuals 7. Identity 8. Parental backstory 9. Protection 10. Relationship with parents.

Episode Outline
Introduction and explanation of Ask Me Anything segment [00:00:01]
Question from patron William on suggested reading materials for third culture individuals [00:00:28]
Johnson's mom's backstory and early life struggles [00:10:34]
Johnson's mom's experiences as a child [00:11:37]
Johnson''s approach to maintaining a relationship with his parents despite interruptions [00:29:41]
Johnson and his mom's evolving relationship and her positive affirmations towards him [00:36:04]
Johnson's pivotal moment with his therapist and impact on his relationship with his mom [00:40:35]
Johnson's infrequent interrupted conversations with his mom and documenting them on Twitter. [00:43:32]

Immigration process 2. Dr. Salman Akhtar 3. Psychoanalytic process 4. Third individuation 5. Psychosocial development theory 6. Third culture individuals 7. Identity 8. Parental backstory 9. Protection 10. Relationship with parents.

Previous Episode

S2 | E7 - Growing Up: Evolving Our Relationship to Our Parents, with Johnson Hsieh (1 of 2)

Welcome to Beyond Asian: Stories of the Third Culture, where we delve into the importance of community and communication in difficult experiences, particularly in the context of familial relationships. In this two-part interview series, we speak with Johnson Hsieh about their respective parental journeys, exploring the challenges and rewards of reconnecting with family after years of distance.
But that's not all - we also dive into the ethical and legal concerns surrounding the use of AI voice generators in voiceover work. Podcast host Sen Zhan, a moonlighting voice actor, shares her experience with a small company that may be using her voice to train their AI without her consent. We discuss important questions about ownership, transparency, and compensation for artists in this field.
Throughout the podcast, we explore the experiences of Asian individuals dealing with anxiety and attachment in their relationships with their parents. We also highlight the importance of evolving relationships, setting boundaries, and the challenges of discussing difficult topics with family members.
Join us as we celebrate the power of community and communication in navigating life's difficult moments. Tune in to Beyond Asian: Stories of the Third Culture, available now on all major podcast platforms.
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Topics
- Two-part interview series
- Impact of AI voice generators
- Relationship with Asian families
- Dealing with distance from family
- Importance of taking risks
- Strained relationships with parents
- Experience of Asian individuals with anxiety
- Attachment versus love in Asian families
- Trans cultural trauma
- Catch-up phase with parents
- Reconnecting with family and heritage
- Evolving relationships with parents
- Importance of setting boundaries
- Host's upcoming visit from parents
- Challenges of discussing social justice
- Challenges in communicating with parents
- Importance of community in difficult experiences
Notable Quotes
"I never considered my relationship with my family as not important, but I think that there were parts of me that wanted to believe that I didn't need that importance."
"I want to slightly challenge this notion of I set a boundary, and you must respect my boundary because it doesn't work that way with Asian parents."
"It's saying, hey, dad, I can't talk about this anymore because I'm too tired. And if I force myself to keep talking about it, I'm going to resent you."
Keywords: parental relationships, family, pandemic, regrets, boundaries, love, internal work, AI voice generator, raw interview material, residency, Berlin, Calgary, Taiwan.
Episode Outline
Shout out to patrons [00:00:00]
Introduction to interview series with Johnson Hsieh [00:00:48]
Discussion of importance of relationship with parents [00:11:30]
Pandemic amplifying importance of relationships and regret [00:12:00]
Celebrating setting boundaries in interacting with family [00:31:14]
Reflecting on making changes to relationship with parents and upcoming visit [00:39:00] Anticipating challenges and conversations with parents during visit [00:42:52]

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S2 | E9 - Redefining Narratives: Asian Women Podcasters Breaking Barriers (Live Panel, Podfest Berlin 2023)

Welcome to a special episode of "Asian and Amplified." You'll be joining a lively panel conversation delving into the world of podcasting and the unique experiences of our panelists within Berlin's vibrant Asian community.
Panelists:

Natalina Pereira: Host of "Asia is Not a Country"
- Passionate podcaster exploring the diverse cultures and stories within Asia. Her podcast, "Asia is Not a Country," has gained recognition for its insightful narratives.
Jing-Jing Hu: Host of "You Rice Me Up"
- Entrepreneur and podcaster sharing stories and experiences related to European Asian identity, culture, and personal growth.
Liwen Qin: Host of "Seahorse Planet"
- Feminist perspective through her Chinese-language podcast. Her unique approach to storytelling has captivated audiences worldwide.

Moderator:

Sen Zhan: Host of "Beyond Asian: Stories of the Third Culture"
- Skilled storyteller delving into the experiences of individuals living at the intersection of cultures.

Questions from Audience:

What's been your revenue from podcasting? How has podcasting impacted your financial landscape?
As your podcast grows, a persona often develops around it. How do you manage and evolve this persona to resonate with your audience?
Can you share your toughest experience with podcast guests? How did you navigate and resolve challenging situations with guests?
What are models for intercultural belonging that you've encountered or explored through your podcasting journey? How can different cultures come together and thrive in today's interconnected world?

This event was part of Podfest Berlin, October 13-15, 2023, at Noisy Rooms in Berlin.
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Timestamps:
The question of hopes and nerves (00:00:00)
The hosts discuss the questions they hope to receive and their nervousness about the panel discussion.
Curiosity about podcast preferences (00:01:04)
Qing expresses curiosity about what listeners pay attention to in podcasts and the format of storytelling they enjoy.
Empowerment of telling personal stories (00:02:55)
Natalia talks about the empowering aspect of creating a podcast and being able to tell one's own story. She also mentions her nervousness about her podcast still being in production after two years.
The journey to podcasting (00:11:43)
The hosts discuss their personal backgrounds and how they got into podcasting, including their initial hesitations and inspirations.
Creating a platform for Asian Europeans (00:12:51)
The hosts talk about the lack of English-speaking podcasts about the experiences of Asian Europeans and the importance of highlighting their stories and diversity.
Finding the courage to share (00:19:19)
The hosts discuss the process of vulnerability and how it takes strength to open up and share personal stories, particularly in the context of feminism and women's empowerment.
The process of finding comfort in sharing personal stories (00:23:57)
The speakers discusses their hesitancy in publicly discussing personal experiences, particularly regarding family dynamics, and the importance of finding comfort in sharing vulnerable stories.
The challenge of being outspoken in the Chinese context (00:24:47)
The speakers admires those who dare to challenge norms and speak out in the Chinese context, highlighting the potential repercussions and censorship they may face.
The importance of vulnerability in podcast interviews (00:27:58)
The speaker emphasizes the significance of vulnerability in podcast interviews, both from the host and the guest, to create a genuine connection and allow for deeper conversations.
The programming journey (00:34:51)
Liwen discusses her interview with a former factory worker turned programmer and her own personal growth in expressing emotions.
The impact of colonialism (00:36:11)
Sen and Liwen talk about the lack of neutral perspectives in storytelling and the influence of colonialism on their own creative processes.
Monetary revenue and creative integrity (00:39:15)
Sen and Qing share their experiences with podcasting expenses, revenue, and their thoughts on maintaining creative integrity in the pursuit of profit.
The persona in podcasting (00:50:18)
Discussion on how podcast hosts manage the persona they create in their shows and the challenges they face in representing themselves authentically.
Finding your voice (00:51:44)
Exploration of the struggle to convey personality and authenticity in podcasting and the importance of letting one's true s...