"Barbie"
08/07/23 • 55 min
Welcome back to Analyze Scripts, where a psychiatrist and a therapist analyze what Hollywood gets right and wrong about mental health. Today, we are thrilled to analyze Greta Gerwig's BILLION DOLLAR HIT "Barbie." We analyze the film's smart, timely, and campy explorations of femininity and masculinity. We loved exploring Barbie's evolution through a developmental lens and decided that therapists are basically "weird Barbies" helping our patients grow into their most authentic selves. We loved the sprinkling in of so many dialectical behavioral therapy (DBT) principles, and the tender moments depicting evolving mother-daughter relationships. Plus, we could watch Ryan Gosling beach all day. We loved this movie and hope you enjoy this episode!
[00:10] Dr. Katrina Furey: Hi, I'm Dr. Katrina Furey, a psychiatrist.
[00:12] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And I'm Portia Pendleton, a licensed clinical social worker.
[00:16] Dr. Katrina Furey: And this is Analyze Scripts, a podcast where two shrinks analyze the depiction of mental health in movies and TV shows.
[00:23] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Our hope is that you learn some legit info about mental health while feeling like you're chatting with your girlfriends.
[00:28] Dr. Katrina Furey: There is so much misinformation out there and it drives us nuts.
[00:32] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And if someday we pay off our student loans or land a sponsorship, like.
[00:36] Dr. Katrina Furey: With a lay flat airline or a major beauty brand, even better.
[00:39] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: So sit back, relax, grab some popcorn.
[00:42] Dr. Katrina Furey: And your DSM Five and enjoy. Welcome back to another episode of a podcast hosted by Two Wise Trees. If you didn't catch that reference, we are obviously talking about the new Greta Gerwig film, Barbie. And that was a line in the film at one point, and I just chuckled. Know, we have a podcast now and we're covering it. And we went to the movies all for this. And it was just funny.
[01:17] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And we are two trees basically rooted.
[01:20] Dr. Katrina Furey: Firmly into the ground.
[01:21] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Secure.
[01:22] Dr. Katrina Furey: Secure. Stable. Nourishing. With our branches.
[01:27] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Fruitful.
[01:27] Dr. Katrina Furey: Fruitful. Nice. With our branches just growing and blossoming into the sky where it takes us. I know it could have been a haiku. So anyway, we are really excited to talk about this film today. As it stands right now, we are filming or filming we are recording this episode in late July, and I checked the stats yesterday. Barbie has grossed already over $500 million worldwide.
[01:55] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: That's incredible.
[01:55] Dr. Katrina Furey: Incredible. Especially because it's like double what Oppenheimer has grossed. We will also be covering that film a little later on. So that makes me really happy. Yeah, I was really excited when we went to the movies, Portia. And it was packed, packed, packed. Mostly women, but some men as well. And it was a matinee. We went at 01:00. And I just was like, see, Hollywood, you can make female driven material and you will still sell tickets.
[02:29] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Everyone was so excited. There was a ton of people wearing pink. It was just so fun. And I felt connected to people in theater.
[02:38] Dr. Katrina Furey: I know, right?
[02:38] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Which I feel like I've never well, I did when I saw the last Harry Potter.
[02:44] Dr. Katrina Furey: I was going to say Harry Potter.
[02:46] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Everyone was clapping, everyone dressed up. It was emotional.
[02:49] Dr. Katrina Furey: It was an experience. Right. And that's like the joy of going to the movies. And I think you had said to me that you hadn't seen a movie since before COVID and probably then two years before that. So long time. But totally, as you were saying that, it reminded me of when I would go see Harry Potter with my friends, like in high school and yeah, it was like a whole event. And this is totally what that felt like. We were a little bummed that there wasn't the Barbie box.
[03:17] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Yeah, I think it's because we weren't.
[03:20] Dr. Katrina Furey: In a major city.
[03:22] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Yeah. Or even just like a big mega theater, because I know some people who went in another part of our state and they did have the box, but it was like a big complex, like.
[03:32] Dr. Katrina Furey: Next to a mall, all that stuff. Yeah, well, it was still great.
[03:36] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: I was bummed. Sorry.
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Welcome back to Analyze Scripts, where a psychiatrist and a therapist analyze what Hollywood gets right and wrong about mental health. Today, we are thrilled to analyze Greta Gerwig's BILLION DOLLAR HIT "Barbie." We analyze the film's smart, timely, and campy explorations of femininity and masculinity. We loved exploring Barbie's evolution through a developmental lens and decided that therapists are basically "weird Barbies" helping our patients grow into their most authentic selves. We loved the sprinkling in of so many dialectical behavioral therapy (DBT) principles, and the tender moments depicting evolving mother-daughter relationships. Plus, we could watch Ryan Gosling beach all day. We loved this movie and hope you enjoy this episode!
[00:10] Dr. Katrina Furey: Hi, I'm Dr. Katrina Furey, a psychiatrist.
[00:12] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And I'm Portia Pendleton, a licensed clinical social worker.
[00:16] Dr. Katrina Furey: And this is Analyze Scripts, a podcast where two shrinks analyze the depiction of mental health in movies and TV shows.
[00:23] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Our hope is that you learn some legit info about mental health while feeling like you're chatting with your girlfriends.
[00:28] Dr. Katrina Furey: There is so much misinformation out there and it drives us nuts.
[00:32] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And if someday we pay off our student loans or land a sponsorship, like.
[00:36] Dr. Katrina Furey: With a lay flat airline or a major beauty brand, even better.
[00:39] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: So sit back, relax, grab some popcorn.
[00:42] Dr. Katrina Furey: And your DSM Five and enjoy. Welcome back to another episode of a podcast hosted by Two Wise Trees. If you didn't catch that reference, we are obviously talking about the new Greta Gerwig film, Barbie. And that was a line in the film at one point, and I just chuckled. Know, we have a podcast now and we're covering it. And we went to the movies all for this. And it was just funny.
[01:17] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And we are two trees basically rooted.
[01:20] Dr. Katrina Furey: Firmly into the ground.
[01:21] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Secure.
[01:22] Dr. Katrina Furey: Secure. Stable. Nourishing. With our branches.
[01:27] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Fruitful.
[01:27] Dr. Katrina Furey: Fruitful. Nice. With our branches just growing and blossoming into the sky where it takes us. I know it could have been a haiku. So anyway, we are really excited to talk about this film today. As it stands right now, we are filming or filming we are recording this episode in late July, and I checked the stats yesterday. Barbie has grossed already over $500 million worldwide.
[01:55] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: That's incredible.
[01:55] Dr. Katrina Furey: Incredible. Especially because it's like double what Oppenheimer has grossed. We will also be covering that film a little later on. So that makes me really happy. Yeah, I was really excited when we went to the movies, Portia. And it was packed, packed, packed. Mostly women, but some men as well. And it was a matinee. We went at 01:00. And I just was like, see, Hollywood, you can make female driven material and you will still sell tickets.
[02:29] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Everyone was so excited. There was a ton of people wearing pink. It was just so fun. And I felt connected to people in theater.
[02:38] Dr. Katrina Furey: I know, right?
[02:38] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Which I feel like I've never well, I did when I saw the last Harry Potter.
[02:44] Dr. Katrina Furey: I was going to say Harry Potter.
[02:46] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Everyone was clapping, everyone dressed up. It was emotional.
[02:49] Dr. Katrina Furey: It was an experience. Right. And that's like the joy of going to the movies. And I think you had said to me that you hadn't seen a movie since before COVID and probably then two years before that. So long time. But totally, as you were saying that, it reminded me of when I would go see Harry Potter with my friends, like in high school and yeah, it was like a whole event. And this is totally what that felt like. We were a little bummed that there wasn't the Barbie box.
[03:17] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Yeah, I think it's because we weren't.
[03:20] Dr. Katrina Furey: In a major city.
[03:22] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Yeah. Or even just like a big mega theater, because I know some people who went in another part of our state and they did have the box, but it was like a big complex, like.
[03:32] Dr. Katrina Furey: Next to a mall, all that stuff. Yeah, well, it was still great.
[03:36] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: I was bummed. Sorry.
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"The Hangover"
Welcome back to Analyze Scripts, where a psychiatrist and a therapist analyze what Hollywood gets right and wrong about mental health. Today, our summer party continues with "The Hangover." This 2009 comedy is the first of three and where we meet Doug, Alan, Phil, Stu and of course Mr. Chow. While the sound track is nostalgic, some of the jokes are a little *yikes.* We discuss Alan's behavior and social challenges as well as the abusive relationship between Stu and Melissa. Dr. Furey gives us the schoop on drugs and alcohol and we discuss serotonin syndrome. Sit back, grab some popcorn and your old "NOW" album from 2009. We hope you enjoy!
Dr. Katrina Furey: Hi, I'm Dr. Katrina Fury, a psychiatrist.
Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And I'm Portia Pendleton, a licensed clinical social worker. And this is Analyze Scripts, a podcast.
Dr. Katrina Furey: Where two shrinks analyze the depiction of.
Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Mental health in movies and TV shows. Our hope is that you learn some legit info about mental health while feeling like you're chatting with your girlfriends.
Dr. Katrina Furey: There is so much misinformation out there, and it drives us nuts.
Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And if someday we pay off our student loans or land a sponsorship, like.
Dr. Katrina Furey: With a lay flat airline or a major beauty brand, even better.
Portia Pendleton, LCSW: So sit back, relax, grab some popcorn.
Dr. Katrina Furey: Your DSM Five, and enjoy.
Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Hi there. Welcome back to another episode of analyze scripts with Dr. Katrina fury and portia pendleton licensed clinical social worker. We are going to dissect an interesting throwback movie today, the Hangover.
Dr. Katrina Furey: Yeah.
Dr. Katrina Furey: You've been really excited about this one.
Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Yeah, it's from 2009, which is kind of a little bit nostalgic for both.
Dr. Katrina Furey: Of us, like, almost 15 years ago.
Dr. Katrina Furey: Wow.
Dr. Katrina Furey: It's hard to believe. It feels like just yesterday people were wearing Allen Halloween costumes with a baby and a baby beyond.
Portia Pendleton, LCSW: I went to Las Vegas in 2000, and maybe, like, eleven, and I have a picture with a street performer, model performer of being Alan, like, holding a baby.
Dr. Katrina Furey: Did you go there because of this movie?
Portia Pendleton, LCSW: No, I didn't. I went there with my in laws, so not for we actually went there for Thanksgiving.
Dr. Katrina Furey: Oh, that's an interesting Thanksgiving destination.
Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Oh, I like that. Yeah, it was totally different. It was hot. The food was delicious. We went to, like, brunch somewhere.
Dr. Katrina Furey: Was it like a buffet?
Dr. Katrina Furey: Brunch?
Dr. Katrina Furey: Vegas has a lot of those.
Portia Pendleton, LCSW: I don't think it was a buffet, but I think it was just, like.
Dr. Katrina Furey: A nice just nice.
Dr. Katrina Furey: Yeah.
Dr. Katrina Furey: The only times I've been to Vegas were in childhood for dance competitions, like nationals. We went twice. So it's like, me, my family, my grandma was there both times, and we're just, like, trucking along. She's in her walker, and we did, like, children things.
Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Interesting.
Dr. Katrina Furey: Wow.
Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Yeah, we we I was just, you know, of age or a little, you know, a little bit after, but it was it was a pretty typical Vegas experience.
Dr. Katrina Furey: Right.
Portia Pendleton, LCSW: You know, unfortunately drank too much of the Kool Aid and felt so horrible.
Dr. Katrina Furey: Like these characters.
Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Like these characters. It was obviously a little bit more embarrassing because I wasn't there with friends.
Dr. Katrina Furey: Oh, yeah, you're in love.
Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Fun story. I remember calling my mom because, of course, this is just how it goes. You tend to turn up the most the night before you have to go home. Don't do that, please. And so I remember there was a lot of vomiting.
Dr. Katrina Furey: Oh, God, Porsche. You love that.
Dr. Katrina Furey: I know.
Portia Pendleton, LCSW: It's my favorite thing. And I called my mom from the airport crying because I was so upset. I felt so horrible, and I was sick, and she was so mad at me. I guess as one would be of your daughter who's away with like well.
Dr. Katrina Furey: Yeah, I guess back then they weren't your in laws yet, probably, right?
Portia Pendleton, LCSW: No, it was like maybe two years in.
Dr. Katrina Furey: Was this like ...
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"Girl, Interrupted"
Welcome back to Analyze Scripts, where a psychiatrist and a therapist analyze what Hollywood gets right and wrong about mental health. Today, we are analyzing the '90s movie "Girl, Interrupted" based on the memoir by Susanna Kaysen. This film depicts two years of a young adult woman's life at McLean Hospital in the 1960s where she was diagnosed with borderline personality disorder (BPD). This episode analyzes everything from why it's so hard to talk about BPD, psychoanalytic vs behavioral treatment methods, the deinstitutionalization movement, antipsychotics, and our opinions about Angelina Jolie's portrayal of sociopathy. We hope you enjoy!
[00:10] Dr. Katrina Furey: Hi, I'm Dr. Katrina Fieri, a psychiatrist.
[00:12] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And I'm Portia Pendleton, a licensed clinical social worker.
[00:16] Dr. Katrina Furey: And this is Analyze Scripts, a podcast where two shrinks analyze the depiction of mental health in movies and TV shows.
[00:23] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Our hope is that you learn some legit info about mental health while feeling like you're chatting with your girlfriends.
[00:28] Dr. Katrina Furey: There is so much misinformation out there and it drives us nuts.
[00:32] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: And if someday we pay off our student loans or land a sponsorship, like.
[00:36] Dr. Katrina Furey: With a lay flat airline or a major beauty brand, even better.
[00:39] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: So sit back, relax, grab some popcorn.
[00:42] Dr. Katrina Furey: And your DSM Five and enjoy. We get started with this episode. We just wanted to add a trigger warning. Some of this content could be disturbing to listen to. We're talking about the film Girl Interrupted, and there are some themes of suicide, disordered eating, and I would say institutional traumatization. So again, if any of these themes hit too close to home or could potentially be damaging, please feel free to skip this episode and join us again next time. Otherwise, enjoy. Hi, thanks for joining us. Today we are going to talk about the hit movie Girl Interrupted. A real blast from the past from my favorite decade, the 90s. This movie is based on the 1993 memoir by Susannah Casey, who wrote about two years of her life spent at McClain Hospital in the 1960s in Massachusetts, where she was diagnosed with borderline personality disorder. Portia so when I recommended we covered this movie, I totally didn't remember the plot. I don't actually know if I saw the whole thing. I was just like, oh yeah, there's a movie with Angelina Jolie and she got an Oscar and it's probably really good. I totally forgot that the main character was diagnosed with Bpd, which I actually think is great for us to talk about because we've alluded to this diagnosis and some of our other know, I'm thinking like, what about Bob Succession White Lotus? And I still find that this is a tricky diagnosis to talk about with patients to explain to patients to explain to other. I thought, you know, Winona Ryder's character like, did a great job being like, what is it? On the borderline of what? What are you talking about? Right?
[02:38] Portia Pendleton, LCSW: Yeah. And at the time, though, this was newish. Marsha Linehan hadn't written her book yet on DBT.
[02:47] Dr. Katrina Furey: I don't even think there was DBT yet. Thinking about the 1960s, I thought this film did a great job depicting what it probably was like to be psychiatrically hospitalized in the 60s, which is so different from what it's like today. Place that is very true. So this film was filmed at Harrisburg State Hospital in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania. It was filmed in 1999, but it was based on McLean Hospital, which is probably the number one psychiatric hospital in our country for a long time. I think it is affiliated with Harvard, and I think they do still have some longer term units like this, but you see a lot of treatment. You know, she goes to therapy many times a week. She's sitting on the couch. Her therapist is sitting behind her. Unfortunately falls asleep at one point, which I don't think actually happens in real life, but speaks to how she felt probably like there was a disconnect and you hear about how she's there for two years. That just doesn't happen anymore. But in the did, that was the treatment. People used to be admitted and stay for a really long time until in the mid 1960s, in the Reagan era, there was this big move not just in our country but internationally to deinstitutionalize patients, right? So sort of close down these long term hospitals which we called asylums and invest more in community mental health centers. And I think I don't know this for sure, but I believe that coincided with the invention of modern d...
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