
S5 E6: The Horse's Mouth - with Dr Paul Owens
12/10/24 • 79 min
I am so pleased to be welcoming our 2nd first time guest to An Equine Conversation for Season 5. We’ve had some super wild weather here in my part of the world this Spring that meant this guest and I had to reschedule recording this episode multiple times. Despite the severe storms, power-outages, trees down, no internet, we got there in the end and are bringing you an episode with our most wonderful Equine Veterinary Dentist, Dr Paul Owens from the Horse Vet Dentist.
I won’t lie, I used to think the horses mouth was a whole lot simpler than it is. For many years, my horses had an annual visit from an equine dental technician. I’d seen a couple of talks given by them & I thought I knew much of what there was to know. Gosh, how wrong I was! It was thanks to a number of wonderful horsie friends whose opinions I rate, who were working with Dr Paul Owens and singing his praises, that we too got Paul on board our horse-care team maybe 4-5 years ago now. And wow, have we learnt so much over that time. Paul’s knowledge is amazing, as is his preparedness to educate interested owners. Each time Paul’s here, which is every 6-months, there are things I learn and get to see with my own eyes in my horses mouths which is really impactful for my understanding.
We really love having Paul as part of our herd’s care team as we share the mission of improving welfare for equines through our work and both love learning more, with Paul bringing us information on the latest research into all things horses mouths. Not only that, but we get to hear some cool stories about the work he does with Zoo’s Victoria too. Which, for those of you who like me, train with positive reinforcement, mean that Paul is already really familiar with this training approach as he sees it in action in his work with the Zoo & is so awesome in supporting what I do with my herd, which can be to our amusement. In his visit here just a few weeks ago, Rufus is such a pro at loading on the crush, we’ve made it so positively reinforcing for him, that he took himself there before we were even ready for him.
In today’s episode, we’re going to peer inside the horse’s mouth with Paul and learn a bunch about how it works and equine oral health care.
Dr Paul Owens:
Paul graduated from the University of Liverpool in the UK in 2001 following a degree in Animal Science and PhD in Animal Nutrition. He worked in North Yorkshire in mixed practice where he developed his interest in equine dentistry attending several BEVA course in this field.
In 2007 Paul came to Australia working in Equine/Small Animal Practice in SE Melbourne before eventually setting up a dedicated veterinary dentistry practice in 2011 called HorseVetDentist.
The practice offers a wide range of equine dentistry services from routine dental assessments to referrals for advanced dental extraction techniques, periodontal treatments and restorative dentistry.
Paul is a tutor on the EVDS veterinary dentistry courses and teaches veterinary students at the U-Vet centre Werribee. He has been fortunate to assist with dentistry procedures at Zoos Victoria and Healesville Sanctuary.
Paull attained his MANCVS Memberships in Equine Dentistry in 2014 and continues to attend workshops in dentistry both overseas and in Australia.
In this episode we discuss:
1:23 - introduction to this episode & to Dr Paul Owens
4:08 - Dr Paul Owens bio
5:20 - welcoming Paul
6:59 - Paul’s Vet Dentist origin story & ongoing education
13:24 - the importance of evidence-based practice
15:37 - how the horse’s mouth works
20:33 - are donkey and mule mouths the same?
21:24 - what a horses’s oral check/assessment involves (a lot!)
30:53 - teeth are living structures
33:14 - the carrot bite test & the periodontal ligament
35:22 - dental pain in humans and horses (with a shout-out to Dr Chris Pearce at the Equine Dental Clinic Ltd)
40:00 - size of the carrot for the carrot bite test
42:16 - 2 big common dental diseases of the front teeth: nerve exposure & EOTRH
46:03 - more on dental (and other) pain in horses & how easy it is to miss (shout-out to Dr Sue Dyson)
51:05 - one thorough oral examination is not enough - it’s a repeated process as our horses’ mouths are dynamic & change over time
54:23 - standards for thorough oral examination timelines
57:01 - horses’ baby teeth
1:03:02 - top tips for dental health
1:11:55 - on working with Zoo’s Victoria animals
1:17:09 - episode wrap-up & what’s on next week
Links from Paul:
I am so pleased to be welcoming our 2nd first time guest to An Equine Conversation for Season 5. We’ve had some super wild weather here in my part of the world this Spring that meant this guest and I had to reschedule recording this episode multiple times. Despite the severe storms, power-outages, trees down, no internet, we got there in the end and are bringing you an episode with our most wonderful Equine Veterinary Dentist, Dr Paul Owens from the Horse Vet Dentist.
I won’t lie, I used to think the horses mouth was a whole lot simpler than it is. For many years, my horses had an annual visit from an equine dental technician. I’d seen a couple of talks given by them & I thought I knew much of what there was to know. Gosh, how wrong I was! It was thanks to a number of wonderful horsie friends whose opinions I rate, who were working with Dr Paul Owens and singing his praises, that we too got Paul on board our horse-care team maybe 4-5 years ago now. And wow, have we learnt so much over that time. Paul’s knowledge is amazing, as is his preparedness to educate interested owners. Each time Paul’s here, which is every 6-months, there are things I learn and get to see with my own eyes in my horses mouths which is really impactful for my understanding.
We really love having Paul as part of our herd’s care team as we share the mission of improving welfare for equines through our work and both love learning more, with Paul bringing us information on the latest research into all things horses mouths. Not only that, but we get to hear some cool stories about the work he does with Zoo’s Victoria too. Which, for those of you who like me, train with positive reinforcement, mean that Paul is already really familiar with this training approach as he sees it in action in his work with the Zoo & is so awesome in supporting what I do with my herd, which can be to our amusement. In his visit here just a few weeks ago, Rufus is such a pro at loading on the crush, we’ve made it so positively reinforcing for him, that he took himself there before we were even ready for him.
In today’s episode, we’re going to peer inside the horse’s mouth with Paul and learn a bunch about how it works and equine oral health care.
Dr Paul Owens:
Paul graduated from the University of Liverpool in the UK in 2001 following a degree in Animal Science and PhD in Animal Nutrition. He worked in North Yorkshire in mixed practice where he developed his interest in equine dentistry attending several BEVA course in this field.
In 2007 Paul came to Australia working in Equine/Small Animal Practice in SE Melbourne before eventually setting up a dedicated veterinary dentistry practice in 2011 called HorseVetDentist.
The practice offers a wide range of equine dentistry services from routine dental assessments to referrals for advanced dental extraction techniques, periodontal treatments and restorative dentistry.
Paul is a tutor on the EVDS veterinary dentistry courses and teaches veterinary students at the U-Vet centre Werribee. He has been fortunate to assist with dentistry procedures at Zoos Victoria and Healesville Sanctuary.
Paull attained his MANCVS Memberships in Equine Dentistry in 2014 and continues to attend workshops in dentistry both overseas and in Australia.
In this episode we discuss:
1:23 - introduction to this episode & to Dr Paul Owens
4:08 - Dr Paul Owens bio
5:20 - welcoming Paul
6:59 - Paul’s Vet Dentist origin story & ongoing education
13:24 - the importance of evidence-based practice
15:37 - how the horse’s mouth works
20:33 - are donkey and mule mouths the same?
21:24 - what a horses’s oral check/assessment involves (a lot!)
30:53 - teeth are living structures
33:14 - the carrot bite test & the periodontal ligament
35:22 - dental pain in humans and horses (with a shout-out to Dr Chris Pearce at the Equine Dental Clinic Ltd)
40:00 - size of the carrot for the carrot bite test
42:16 - 2 big common dental diseases of the front teeth: nerve exposure & EOTRH
46:03 - more on dental (and other) pain in horses & how easy it is to miss (shout-out to Dr Sue Dyson)
51:05 - one thorough oral examination is not enough - it’s a repeated process as our horses’ mouths are dynamic & change over time
54:23 - standards for thorough oral examination timelines
57:01 - horses’ baby teeth
1:03:02 - top tips for dental health
1:11:55 - on working with Zoo’s Victoria animals
1:17:09 - episode wrap-up & what’s on next week
Links from Paul:
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S5 E5: Conscious Consumerism: how not to tank the market - with Erin Moore
Please note: this episode does contain 'conversational profanity'
I am so grateful for the knowledge that business coach, Erin Moore has brought into my life & so I’m delighted that Erin is back with me on An Equine Conversation this episode, to share more of her wisdom with you.
In this episode, we’re taking a look at some of the gnarly problems that face micro & small businesses, especially those who work in caring industries (with a focus on the equine world). We consider some of the differences between big and small businesses, and how our consumer expectations differ between the two.
We discuss how you, we, as consumers, can support micro & small businesses so that they/we, can continue to provide awesome products and services to you, .... and not contribute to ‘tanking the market’. Annnnd there might be some great tips in there for micro & small business owners too.
There is so much in this episode that it’s hard to capture it all in a short, written intro, so you’ll just have to listen to hear all the wisdom within.
Erin Moore:
Erin Moore was a dog trainer for 13 years, and, by her own admission, made every mistake a dog training business owner could make. After burning out and leaving the industry completely, Erin knew that if she wanted to come back to it, she would need to figure out a different way to do things. So Erin did just that. She hired a coach and learned all about the business end of things, and that changed her entire business and her life. Now Erin coaches trainers on how to set up their businesses so that they can actually have a life and not burn out like she did!
In this episode we discuss:
1:24 - profanity warning
1:52 - introduction to this episode & giving the context (shout-out to Jemima from the now closed Sweet Iron Co & Shelby from Milestone Equestrian)
8:23 - welcome back Erin
9:24 - the caring industry, small versus big businesses
13:31 - defining ‘tanking the market’
15:38 - I’ve done it & the absence of business education
19:00 - being draw to a caring industry, our values & beliefs & how we can help more people
21:11 - free content - time & effort and small versus big business
24:41 - the impact on veterinarians
32:07 - the extra load of financial stress & empathising with the humans
35:33 - if we’re not financially secure, we can’t help anyone and regardless, we can’t help everyone
37:41 - when small businesses make more money, they can help more people
40:07 - the impact of not supporting small business
42:01 - a snapshot of the different hats worn in a business & the costs you don’t see
49:37 - the different aspects of running a micro or small business - besides the actual passion part
52:22 - the correlation between neurodivergence & small business
53:11 - where does the time go in business
54:40 - the importance of self-care for how we show up in business (or what you get as a consumer)
1:00:45 - what do we do as consumers - what’s your sphere of influence (shout-out to Samantha from The School of Visibility)
1:09:37 - more top tips on what you can do & a summary of what you can do
1:17:20 - episode wrap-up & what’s on next week
Links from Erin:
Free, thought-provoking resources on Erin’s website (and other ways to work with Erin too)
Find Erin on Facebook at https://www.facebook.com/businessendoftheleash
Our links mentioned this episode:
Abbey's Run Equestrian website
Abbey's Run Equestrian on Facebook
Thank you to Matthew Bliss for podcast production & consultation. If you'd like him to help with your podcast, get in touch by email at [email protected]
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S5 E7: My Accident
On the 8th of June 2008, my life changed forever with a split-second accident that saw me trampled by my then 2.5-year-old horse, Fernando, and air-lifted to Hospital for life-saving surgery.
This episode is the story of that accident, what happened, the damage that did and where that’s left me now.
Before I even introduce this episode, I want to give you a warning. This episode talks about my accident in some detail. There has been one person who on hearing the story, when I was still in Hospital, passed out as a result. If you are someone likely to do that, then please skip this episode or at least, do not listen while driving or doing something where you could get injured... I don’t want my accident resulting in other accidents... not the effect I’m hoping for!
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In S4 E4 of An Equine Conversation, Why Virtual Learning’s Worth Exploring, I make mention of my being immune-compromised and why for me, that’s one of the reasons that virtual learning is so awesome as I’m so limited to what’s possible in-person due to the very real and serious threat Covid still holds for me. I mention this again in S4 E5 with Erin Moore too when we’re talking about giving micro & small business owners a metaphorical hug – I like a good hug personally but being immune compromised makes it a no-no.
So anyway, in this episode of An Equine Conversation I’m going to share with you my story of the horsey accident that left me immune-compromised. It’s a story I’ve told many times. I know some of you will have heard some or all of it before. For those newer to me and my work teaching and my approach, hearing about this part of my story will help inform you more about who I am, what I’m about and why I’m passionate about safety... and importantly, why my horse Fernando and I have a very unique, very special relationship and why he has been my best teacher.
In this episode we discuss:
1:22 - episode warning
2:04 - episode introduction
3:29 - the 8th of June 2008
5:09 - the backstory of Fernando’s misadventures, to get you up to speed
9:18 - setting the scene & it all going pear-shaped
13:19 - paramedics ahoy!
16:17 - arriving at The Alfred (Hospital)
21:02 - time in Hospital isn’t fun but it was busy
28:21 - recovering at home & an unexpected Hospital re-visit scenario
38:43 - the upshot of my injuries now
48:02 - how I’ve changed my outlook (or not) as a result of the accident
53:57 - Fernando, the best teacher
57:38 - take-aways from my experience
1:01:33 - episode wrap-up & what’s on next week
Links mentioned this episode:
Thank you to Matthew Bliss for podcast production & consultation. If you'd like him to help with your podcast, get in touch by email at [email protected]
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